Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective

The following has been making the rounds on just about every internal email list I belong to in Microsoft. Here it is to share a little insight with the rest of the world. Microsoft is an amazingly transparent company. Google is not. Any peek is a good peek.


 

Many of you were asking for the feedback I received from my interview with the former Google employee I hired into ABC Development as a Sr.SDE. Here it is. This candidate is also a former MS employee who left the company and founded a “Start-up” called XYZ. XYZ was purchased by Google and he was hired on as a Senior Software Engineer II / Technical Lead. Here is his take on Google’s environment as well as areas Microsoft should consider improving in order to be more competitive.

 

Enjoy

 

1.       What is the culture really like? How many hours are people actually working? What are the least amount of hours you can work before you are looked down upon?

 

The culture at Google is very much like the old culture at Microsoft – back when the company felt like most employees were in their mid 20’s.  These kids don’t have a life yet so they spend all of their time at work.  Google provides nearly everything these people need from clothes (new T-shirts are placed in bins for people to grab *twice* a week!) to food – three, free, all-you-can-eat meals a day.  Plus on-site health care, dental care, laundry service, gym, etc.  Imagine going from college to this environment and you can see how much everyone works.  People are generally in the building between 10am and about 6pm every day, but nearly everyone is on e-mail 24/7 and most people spend most of their evenings working from home.

 

This culture changes a bit with more experienced folks.  They generally work 10a – 6pm like the new hires, and most of them are on email until around midnight.  It’s pretty common for them to be working most of the evening, too.

 

 

2.       20% of your time on personal project. How many people actually get to use it? If so, how do they use it? Does Google own your personal project?

 

“20% is your benefit and your responsibility.”

 

In other words, it’s your job to carve out 20% of your work week for a project.  If you don’t carve out the time, you don’t get it.  Your project needs to be tacitly approved by your manager.  Whatever it is, is owned by Google.  If you’re organized, you can “save up” your 20% and use it all at once.  It’s not unheard of for people to have months and months of “20% time” saved up.

 

Most people don’t actually have a 20% project.  Most managers won’t remind you to start one.

 

3.       What are the office arrangements like? Do you have an office or cube space?

 

Google believes that developers are, with few exceptions, interchangeable parts.  This philosophy shows through in their office arrangements which in Mountain View are all over the map.  There are glass-walled offices, there are open-space areas, there are cubicles, there are people who’s desks are literally in hallways because there’s no room anywhere else.  There are even buildings that experiment with no pre-defined workspaces or workstations – cogs (err, people?) just take one of the available machines and desks when they get to work.

 

In terms of employees per square-foot, every Microsoft Building 9-sized office is a triple at Google.

 

Google doesn’t seem to think that private offices are valuable for technical staff.  They’re wrong.

 

4.       What is the management structure like (hierarchy)?

 

There are front-line developers, and then their manager.  My manager had over 100 direct reports and is the common case for managers at Google.  Managers quasi-own products and their employees tend to work on their projects, but not always.  It’s possible for a developer on your product to actually work for a manager in research (a completely different division).  This makes it really interesting at review time.  Oh and conflict resolution between team members is very complex – the product’s manager isn’t involved day-to-day, probably doesn’t actually manage all of the peers who are trying to resolve a conflict, and likely hasn’t spent any time with their employees anyway.

 

The overall structure is:

                tons (a hundred or more) of individual contributors report to

                a middle manager who reports to

                a division v.p. who reports to

                the management team (Larry, Sergie, etc.)

 

5.       Do they actually have plans for career development?

 

Not really.  There is no career development plan from individual contributor to manager.  Basically if you get good reviews, you get more money and a fancier title (“Senior Software Engineer II”) but that’s about it.

 

 

6.       Who would you recommend Google to? Is it for the college kid or family type, worker bee or innovator?

 

College kids tend to like it because it’s just like college – all of their basic needs are taken care of.  In fact, even most of your personal-life can get tied up in Google benefits.  Google provides free or subsidized broadband to every employee.  Google runs its own, private, bus lines in the Bay Area for employees.  Google provides free or subsidized mobile phones.  A college kid can literally join Google and, like they did as freshman at university, let Google take care of everything.  Of course, if Google handles everything for you, it’s hard to think about leaving because of all the “stuff” you’ll need to transition and then manage for yourself.

 

Mid-timers, people who’ve worked at other places for a few years tend to be a mixed bag.  For some, this is the first stability they’ve seen after a few failed startups.  For others, this is the company that represents a “better” way to run a company than the company they worked at before.  Either way, for these folks to succeed at Google they have to drink the cool-aid and duke it out with the college kids because Google doesn’t place any value on previous industry experience.  (It puts tremendous value on degrees, especially Stanford ones).

 

“Old-timers” tend to like Google because they’re the ones who know to take the most advantage of the perks.  These are the people who religiously take their 20% time, use as many of the services as possible, and focus on having a “peaceful” experience.  They’re here to do a job, enjoy the perks, and that’s about it.  They still put in a lot of hours, but the passion of the college kids isn’t there.

 

7.       Please provide any additional information that you believe will help in our battle for talent against Google?

 

Make the food in the café free.  If an employee eats an average of $15 of food per day (the actual average at Google which is closer to $10) it would cost Microsoft $3,750 per year per employee to offer 3 meals a day.  Instead of increasing starting salaries, switch to free food.  Give everyone else half the merit increases we would have gotten AND ANNOUNCE THE FREE FOOD AT THE SAME TIME.  For that quoted $10 average Google provides free soda, free organic drinks (odwalla, naked juice), breakfast, lunch, and dinner (most people only eat lunch), free sport drinks (vitamin water, etc.), and free snacks (trail mixes, nuts, chips, candy, gum, cereal, granola bars).

 

That single benefit gets people to work earlier because hot breakfast is served only until 8:30.  And since dinner isn’t served until 6:00 or 6:30 the people with a home-life tend to skip it.

 

Google actually pays less salary than Microsoft.

 

Google’s health insurance is actually not nearly as good as Microsoft’s.

 

Google has no facility for career growth.  Microsoft has more, but could do better.  Continuing Microsoft-specific education for things like project management, managing people, communication skills, etc. should be promoted.  A structured career plan for each discipline would be great – e.g. training, experiences, milestones, etc.  Paths like “Developer to Development Manager” “Developer to Technical Architect” which show what courses and experiences (e.g. being a mentor) are encouraged for the different paths.

 

Private offices for employees is a big benefit.  See http://joelonsoftware.com/oldnews/pages/March2007.html.  Play this up.  Take a cue from Google and loosen up a little about offices.  Let people call facilities and have their office painted any color they want.  Have the standard office come with a guest chair and a brightly colored Microsoft branded bean-bag chair.

 

Google has the concept of “Tech Stops.”  Each floor of each building has one.  They handle all of the IT stuff for employees in the building including troubleshooting networks, machines, etc.  If you’re having a problem you just walk into a Tech Stop and someone will fix it.  They also have a variety of keyboards, mice, cables, etc.  They’re the ones who order equipment, etc.  In many ways the Tech Stop does some of what our admins do.  If your laptop breaks you bring it to a Tech Stop and they fix it or give you another one (they move your data for you).  If one of your test machines is old and crusty you bring it to the Tech Stop and they give you a new one.  They track everything by swiping your ID when you “check out” an item.  If you need more equipment than your job description allows, your manager just needs to approve the action.  The Tech Stop idea is genius because:

1.       You establish a relationship with your IT guy so technical problems stop being a big deal – you don’t waste a couple of hours trying to fix something before calling IT to find out it wasn’t your fault.  You just drop in and say, “My network is down.”

2.       Most IT problems are trivial when you’re in a room together (“oh that Ethernet cable is in the wrong port”)

3.       The model of repair or replace within an hour is incredible for productivity.

4.       It encourages a more flexible model for employees to define their OWN equipment needs.  E.g. a “Developer” gets a workstation, a second workstation or a laptop, and a test machine.  You’re free to visit the Tech Stop to swap any of the machines for any of the others in those categories.  For example, I could stop by and swap my second workstation for a laptop because I’m working remotely a lot more now.  In the Tech Stop system, this takes 5 minutes to walk down and tell the Tech Stop guy.  If a machine is available, I get it right away.  Otherwise they order it and drop it off when it arrives.  In our current set up, I have to go convince my manager that I need a laptop, he needs to budget for it because it’s an additional machine, an admin has to order it, and in the end developers always end up with a growing collection of mostly useless “old” machines instead of a steady state of about 3 mostly up-to-date machines.

 

 

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937 Responses to “Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective”

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  3. sanjeev Says:

    Dude you shouldn’t have published this, why do you even work for microsoft.
    you should quit right away.

  4. Dankee Toolpiash Says:

    this is horrible, man you ARE the reason microsoft is suffering!

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  6. Brian Says:

    The post’s title is just stupid.

    This guy may be at Microsoft now, but what he wrote is a very balanced review of working at Google. It’s not simply – working at Google sucks

  7. No Name Says:

    What is wrong with you? Why would you publish this? This is internal only.

    Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us.

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  10. Disgusted Softie Says:

    I cannot believe you posted this. What is wrong with you? Makes me shudder to think what else your pathetic and bereft character would allow yourself to post. No house is perfect, we’re all a little dysfunctional. Assuming you have a significant other or children, how would you feel if one of them decided to post something that highlighted your imperfections..? Wait, they wouldn’t have to, your lack of integrity has been sufficiently demonstrated here.

  11. To Disgusted Softie Says:

    WHen I refreshed this page, it shows your e-mail and all. You better be careful too

  12. softie Says:

    spot the important word in : “every _internal_ email list”

  13. Mr Bin Says:

    I must say that I worked at google for about a year as a contractor, and this description is extremely accurate. The only bit the author left out is the “cult” feeling that working at google has. But I guess that the expression “drink the kool-aid” is close enough.

  14. liskid Says:

    Thanks for posting this, contributing to the ‘transparency’ of MS.

  15. Pissed off Says:

    Idiot, idiot, you should quit. You should be ashamed. Hopefully HR will figure out who the hell you are and can your ***.

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  17. another softie Says:

    I dunno, I’m not bothered by it at all. It’s not much of a Microsoft deep dark secret, it’s just someone’s impressions of life at Google. The guy could have gone on to work at Wal-Mart and said the same things.

  18. Ben Yates Says:

    … so someone posting semi-banal information about working at google has a chance of getting fired from MS for it? Sounds pretty transparent, sure.

  19. levane Says:

    Interesting, but for a first-person comparison which includes Yahoo, check out http://tastyresearch.wordpress.com/work-stories/

  20. Shawn Oster Says:

    Can anyone explain why people are freaking out and saying weird things like “you should be canned” and the like? I just don’t get it, it sounded pretty balanced and had some good things about Google as well as some things Microsoft is doing well. Really, what’s in the post that even matters?

  21. sue lee Says:

    Hey thanks for the post. It was an interesting read.
    To be honest… it sounds like google is a mixed bag of pro’s and con’s.
    Very much geared to the very young newly graduated college kid.

    Although I’m not in software, or even high tech as a profession, I can say as a health professional, that I think having a Stanford degree seems to be overly inflated among Californians.

    My general experience is there is a LOT of ego attached to attending Standford, and getting their degree than let’s say, someone from Harvard or Yale, Princeton, MIT etc.

    Personally, I think the Stanford degree is truly over inflated.. and it’s unfortunate Google puts so much emphasis on it. A degree is a degree is a degree. And you only need a partial bit of a brain to get into Stanford anyways.

  22. me too Says:

    Anyone of confirmable identity able to confirm whether the supposedly microsoft-employee “outrage” comments are for real? Or are these mere trolls?

  23. me too Says:

    … perhaps there is a wired story in this (the outraged microsofties, i mean, not the google comparison) …

  24. glued2google Says:

    This post seems to be intended to be “anti-Google” (see blog title, et al.) but it really ends up being quite complimentary of them.

    The only real valid criticisms I saw were

    - Not enough private offices for those who prefer them
    - Salary could be higher, benefits could be better
    - Long work hours

    On that last point, I can definitely see how that would be a problem for some, just as it was for MS folks in the 80s-90s.

    On the other hand, if you’re really passionate about the work that you are doing, the “work” doesn’t seem like such a chore after all. When I’m working on a coding project I don’t like, the hours can drag by. But when I’m coding something inspired, my concern is more one of not spending too much time on that awesome project.

    I can hardly consider the array of unique Google fringe benefits to be a downside to working there — sure, they may make it hard for the fresh-out-of-college set to adapt to independent living post-Google, but that’s going to happen at some point anyway. And frankly, if I can have someone else do my laundry I won’t be fretting about it too much.

  25. Michael Says:

    What’s wrong with him posting this? He’s just telling the truth. Or at least his account of how Google work is like for him. I think it was a pretty good read. If you don’t like it, go somewhere else.

  26. Naoko Kensaku Says:

    My only beef is this…

    Why are you revealing what is supposed to be an internal matter? Most companies would fire you straightaway for that, no questions asked (unless approved by said manager).

    That said, interesting post.

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  28. Andrew Says:

    Surely Microsoft has more important internal memos to worry about. I doubt this even qualifies for “mild concern”.

  29. Jon Says:

    Interesting article! I would love to work at Google except that I don’t want to live in the Bay Area. I work at Intel, and this article actually motivated me to write a reponse:

    Life At Intel: Response to ‘Life At Google-A Microsoft Perspective’
    http://whatisthisstupiderror.com/blog/

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  31. weethan Says:

    And we say no to google, why?

  32. shawal Says:

    What an amazing Google… Taking people life without the people knowing it.

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  33. nitinrohidas Says:

    i still like google……..

  34. SF, cali Says:

    my homie works at Google. sounds like a pretty accurate description.

    people freaked out that he posted this? bahh. corporate drones.

  35. Wouter Says:

    Interesting read, thanks!

  36. Wahyu Says:

    google is like a my wife

    i need tutorial for study just ask google
    i need tutorial for life just ask google
    i need anything first thing is google!

    google google google oh yeahhhh

  37. Tough interview question Says:

    Great article! Thanks for sharing your experiences.

  38. Rick Says:

    Personally, all this says what I already know: working for a major campus-corporation requires “drinking the kool-aid” becoming a cog in the machine. Maybe a warm bath for some, but the idea horrifies me. The idea alone of spending every lunchtime in a corporate cafetaria horrifies me…

    And I don’t buy that this kind of environment will ever attract sufficient real creative talent. Which I why Google and other major corps have to keep buying start-ups and smaller companies.

    • Etienne Says:

      I know quite a few people who work at Google, and I agree with your post entirely. Google has enough money from ad revenue to *buy* all of it’s *innovation*. Really, since “search”, what have they created? Picasa-bought, Earth/Maps – bought, even Android – bought.

      Google has not come up with anything interesting (from their own employees) since search.

      Google is just a big meat farm filled with college kids working like slaves, and PhDs sitting around doing nothing. Search is their only product. When they lose that, they lose everything.

  39. product.paypal.com/pligg Says:

    Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective Just Say No To Google

    A MS person’s take on the positives and negatives of Google’s corporate culture. Some new perspectives here not covered by mainstream press, and things we at eBay could definitely learn from.

  40. David Russell Says:

    Maybe I’m being unfair, but it seems strange that an employee at a company like Google or Microsoft would need a tech department to fix their computer for them :)

    • SweetZombieJesus Says:

      I’ve been writing software for almost 20 years. I’ve worked for big companies and start ups. They all HATE developers mucking around with machines because it is lost productivity. My manager would get furious when I would run chkdsk, defrag, or heaven forbid reinstall Windows because of bit-rot. I’m the type that would rather handle everything myself but I see the point — time spent replacing a fried hard drive and reinstalling the OS and apps is lost development time. That’s why they’d rather you drop off and pick up with IT.

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  42. Ozh Says:

    Wow….. I’ve read it and it’s like *NOTHING* was unexpected. What did you think ? Working at Google was like doing nothing in a Care Bears paradise, and getting paid for it ?

    Whoever posted this, and people yelling “omg scandal at goog” are just pathetic.

  43. Woeful Says:

    I didn’t make it past the, “Microsoft is suffering” comment before I almost pissed my pants – LMAO! Interesting insight though…

  44. GuyInTheUSA Says:

    Wow, some of you google ppl are kinda scary!! I thought Jim Jones died, but apparently his mentality is alive and well in many of you. Acually I find the whole thing pretty damn funny myself.

    I am a Network Admin in the USA that uses Microsoft, Linux, iSeries, and VMware to run our middle sized insurance company.

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  46. eric Says:

    Wow, such animosity! Hard to tell if it’s coming primarily from Googlebots or Microsofties, but it’s amazing the level of vitriol you can get to over such a simple, balanced and frankly very reasonable piece of reportage.

    Get over yourselves, folks. They’re jobs, not religions.

    Woeful, if you ever get back here, I guess I’m dense — or is the joke just that Microsoft “suffering” is funny? Not that it’s not (amusing), but, well, they kind of are (for the first time in a long time), and they’d be smart to recognize it all the way up and down their food chain.

  47. Adam Victor Nazareth Brandizzi Says:

    omg scandal at goog!

  48. Mark Baard Says:

    I know a patent lawyer who visited google’s “campus” recently. she described the gilded cage you say you are in. good luck with the blog. would like to learn more about you..

    my wordpress blog: parallelnormal.wordpress.com

  49. Free to think, free to believe... Says:

    Well, well, everyone is certainly excited about this post…

    And mostly for the wrong reasons – this is someone’s informed view and it is presented as that without info that would reveal who ‘it’ is… so what’s the deal?

    I think the nut of the argument goes straight to Google’s idea of being able to get it’s octopus tentacles into everything – I remember a google bloke in an interview saying that they would like to be able to tell people what job they should have because they would have enough information – maybe they want us all to live in one of their hives…

    That this memo comes from MS or anywhere else doesn’t change that.

  50. John Says:

    Sounds a lot like a law firm, where the pay and some of the benefits are great, but people are either forced or pressured to work a ton of hours.

    And some of the commenters are dead on. Working at Google is pretty much like working anywhere else. That’s not a scandal. It is what is.

    And to the Microsofties asking for the guy to be fired, that would be like the Romans executing the guy who said “Maybe we should think about what to do about these barbarians.” A reasoned comparison of working at Google vs. Microsoft and real, implentable solutions on how to make Microsoft better? Microsoft should ignore the that the e-mail was released, find the guy who wrote it, and promote him.

  51. Stuart Says:

    I have got to say, its pretty interesting to read. I really enjoyed it. I think most people would be happy to work at either place, at least to try it out. I don’t get why people are *Really* freaking out though? As people previously said, there is nothing really super secret there!

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  55. What's with the hostile messages? Says:

    Interesting commentary about Google-not that I have any desire to work there…ever (nor Microsoft either).

    To those who are upset about this, get over yourselves.

    Thanks for sharing-the mainstream and business media is in love with Google, but they do have a dark side about them. Maybe the people who are upset are other Google employees because this article helps to reveal what Google is *really like.*

  56. Brandon Says:

    Thank you for this, I found it fascinating.

    Personally I’m not sure Microsoft is on the wrong track. Maybe you should take a poll of employees and see who would prefer free food to raises? Personally I would prefer cash to free food because I only buy cheap food items and would end up subsidizing everyone else.

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  58. Some Guy Says:

    The only thing that jumped out at me about this is that Microsoft has private offices, and Google doesn’t. I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I absolutely CAN NOT write code in a cubicle. I can share an office, as long as I get to choose my office mate, but cubes are a deal breaker.

    Of course, I couldn’t consider working for Microsoft, because of that whole “caring about the quality of my work” thing. No way in hell I’d put up with a fiasco like the Windows Shutdown menu.

  59. Harold Says:

    I too don’t understand the freakout.

    For me, if I were to work at either place, at the level I’m at the tremendous productivity I gain from a private office would be a non-negotiable show stopper. Years after _Peopleware_ was published we’re still having to fight for this, even MIT’s new gilded cage for CS research is *very* fancy but sorely lacking in private offices even for full timers (and related, is a total security nightmare which is having … interesting effects on the culture).

    I personally can’t think of a more effective recruiting ad than the one Microsoft ran that just had a closed door for the picture….

    All in all, I thank the author for describing a balanced picture of both places, this is something everyone in this field can benefit from.

    Oh, and to the guy wondering about needing IT: well, not *every* programmer is also a systems type, and if you’re e.g. hot on the trail of bug, or in an otherwise really productive mode, you don’t want break that for a long period to fix such problems yourself even if you can, even if you can do it better than IT. Division of labor, one of the most fundamental aspects of modern productivity….

    Remember the memo many years ago on a bad release of IRIX (SGI’s UNIX)? As I remember, one of the problems was a cost cutting measure that completely zapped IT (I think), requiring a lot of people to spend a lot of time doing things other than making that release good.

  60. jack Says:

    You should quit from Microsoft. MS sucks

  61. Marcos Eliziário Says:

    Its funny to see how the google fanboys pretend to be MS employees threatening the blog author of being fired.
    Come on fakes, you don’t even work for google. They don’t need your guerrila PR tatics on blog to defend them when an ex-employee speaks a bit of truth.

  62. Mits Says:

    Just to clarify sth about the IT help… in this kind of companies for security and maintainability reasons even on windows you don’t have Admin privileges.

    So if you have to follow a solution to a problem that needs root access you have to communicate with the IT. Therefore an on-site IT help it is really helpful.. I still remember the time in my company that I had to wait for 3 days to get the approve for my request for a simple ifconfig command…

    It is not like you are simple programmer that can’t solve simple problems…

  63. Joe Olstad Says:

    Nice article. I have a very clear picture of Google now. Sounds like a fun place to work.

  64. c Says:

    Oh my god, if any HR people are reading this: if you go anywhere NEAR my salary, raises, or bonuses to give us free shitty Eurest lunches, I’m going to quit. I’ll take the money, please.

  65. Icarus Says:

    I dunno about you guys, but offices, cubicles and open work stations aren’t deal breakers for me. The environment variable that affects me most as a Senior Developer is the lighting. I absolutely detest bright fluorescent tubing and the glare it gives off monitors. It distracts me and it takes me a while to get back into the coding. Turn off the lights, use offices with lots of windows and natural light and watch your developers crank up the production.

    Btw, most of you going off on rants about “firing this guy” is whacked. It’s a memo sent out from a person who interviewed a Developer that has worked at Microsoft and Google after being bought out and I’m guessing was re-hired to Microsoft again. Get that? Dude 1 = Microsoft -> Self-Employed -> Google -> Microsoft. Dude 2 = Interviewer at Microsoft who made the memo comparing Google and Microsoft. Dude 3 = Person who “leaked” the memo. I think some of you are getting confused over who’s who.

  66. Dingo Says:

    Very balanced and interesting read. Thanks for the insight. It sounds like they are just attempting to create a lifelong college environment. As far as corporate structures go, it doesn’t sound like a bad idea, but it does fall deeply into the socialist concept. If the worker can let go of ego, it would probably lead to a very comfortable life.

    -Dingo

  67. Arby Says:

    To quote a favorite 80′s saying of mine… you guys are lamers!

    THINK of the time saved, with onsite facilities. Laundry for example… use the time saved for your personal life. I don’t care if the intention is to keep employees closer to the office, nothing is stopping an employee from using the facilities and then using the time saved for personal life (goign out with friends, playing video games, whatever!)

  68. noddyxoi Says:

    You forgot to mention that people at google are allowed to run linux. That’s a must.

  69. mojo Says:

    someone seems to like to work at ms more than at google. someone is also not very professional in the stuff they say in internal emails.

    if this is the kind of thing that “makes the rounds” at ms, then i’m not sure i’d want to work there. i’ve never worked at a place that circulated “bash the other guys” emails, so i find it weird.

    talk about drinking kool-aid. oh yeah!

  70. Jon Says:

    By and large I don’t think this posting is a big issue…except for the names in the “Who might be interested” section at the bottom. I’m not sure they would be comfortable being suddenly high profile without warning.

    Its good general policy to ask for permission before posting an internal email regardless of content, but its possible that the poster has said permission. If so then all the folks in the ‘you should be canned’ crowd have revealed themselves to be MS zealots who are being defensive. Being defensive leads to stagnation, not innovation or even imitation. If you really believed in MS as an innovator, this posting wouldn’t matter to you.

  71. cafelunchyucks Says:

    you gotta be kidding if you want me to eat that stuff that they dare to sell as food in the cafes. you got to be kidding even more when you want me to lose my raises and bonuses to have free crap!

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  73. Aaron Says:

    An internal email passing around decrying someone’s experience at one of MS’s biggest rivals?

    That sounds an awful lot like the typical propaganda that MS would use. In fact, it sounds an awful lot like the typical CHAIN MAILs that get sent around “My cousin ____ worked for ____ last year and he said they ____ their employees _____! Their rival, ____, is so much better”

    Go to snopes.com — read some of the chain mail. This “internal memo” sounds like it’s meant to be a morale booster, even if it is based on fact.

  74. Blah Says:

    It seems to me that most of the people posting here they have never worked for a company like google, microsoft, Ibm, intel… and have no idea how it is like….

    I am working for an average of 9 hours per day in such a company… after that I just want to get out of there… be anywhere else but there. Whatever googles or another company does you can’t make people feel like the company is their home and feel comfortable “living” in there…

    I have a couple of friends working for google right after college… during the first 3 months the company was almost their house… actually one of the guys told me that if he could sleep there he would have done that… the guys were going out of the company only to sleep….

    BUT after this period of time they realized that they don’t have a personal life and started trying to have one…. Difficult….since people because of the culture of the company expect you to be almost 24/7 available. My friends are really frustrated with this now….

    Moreover, free food was nice…. initially…. but when the first extra pounds started showing off now they had to spend even more time in the gym!! Nowadays they are avoiding the sweets and rest of the free stuff like crazy….

    • SweetZombieJesus Says:

      I had the same experience many times but most recently, and most severely, at a startup I worked at from 2002-2006 and I continued working with some other guys from that company at another one from 2006-2009. I spent so much time there that personal life and work life became blurred. I had no home life and had to start integrating things I shouldn’t do at the office into work life. It becomes a blur of shoe removal after hours, raiding the fridge for leftovers, and endless sodas and late night music.

      No more. It’s a mess and life is too short to live this way.

      • SweetZombieJesus Says:

        Oh and I forgot to mention about our development team in India (10 hrs difference give or take). That required 24-7 availability for conference calls with them late at night after you’ve already done your 10-12 hour typical workday. You were expected to answer emails 24-7, sleep next to your blackberry, and get on conference calls all hours of the night. It was like working 2 jobs.

  75. xaviguardia Says:

    For me it’s interesting to know. And to try to avoid mistakes others are making.

  76. Marcos Gonzalez Says:

    I have worked in the IT Industry for years and this post is a great example of the destiny of young developers wich have just obtained a high degree of Stanford or MIT trying to work at a company they think is great like google, what they don’t know is that they will be spending all their life inside a company wich gives them food, commodities and stuff, but at the price of being working for more than 8 hours a day. Does this young developers have a life? Are they aware that they could be earning the triple of money if they created their own software company? Even if they are not enterpenuers, are this developers aware that in countries like Europe, the working hours have an average of 28 to 33 hours per week?

    • SweetZombieJesus Says:

      In Europe the working hours average 28 to 33 hours per week? Ha. I’ve worked longer than that continuously without sleep. My worst week was 108 hours and that included working through the night twice.

  77. Dave Says:

    I think fresh ideas come more easily in an open environment (Google) than in a restrictive, multi-hierarchical one (MS).

    This is my head, don’t blame me for that.

  78. Cazorp Says:

    I don’t understand the emotionalism regarding this post. One person might read that workplace description and think “yuck”, another person might rush to send Google their resume. What does it have to do with Microsoft? It’s just a description of the work environment – an environment I would have killed to work in back in 1992 when I was the target demographic.

    Unfortunately, now I have a life.

    Oh and I can tell you this: if my company cut employee salaries by three grand and replaced it with free food…riots would ensue.

  79. Andrew Gamache Says:

    So now it’s clear there’s no career development at Google; and little at Microsoft… If you’re at either one, it’s time to take your future more seriousely than they do.

    I’m looking for developers for Hedge Funds and Banks on wallstreet. Lehman, Merril, Goldman, Citigroup, etc… Great technologists, who are looking to compile their future with only the best options.

    I know how that sounds… I’m a recruiter- you think that makes me the antichrist- but, I also have 2 patents on HD video technology, and 6 digital billboards in time square with my systems running them. Sold my first company at 24. I’ve been a gung ho developer since learning C at 14.

    I’m a great judge of talent.

    I typically get 120K for programmers, and 200K for PhD’s fresh off graduation. They only go to the top groups, and are paid the most of ny developers on the street. I will take care of you in ways Google will never be able to afford.

    The Google/Microsoft name will make it easier to make the transition. Use it before the trend settles.

    Wallstreet is ALL about career development. When you decide beanbag chairs won’t help send your kids to school (or you need vacation and a bag of money) hit me with a cv.

    Andrew Gamache
    agamache@optionsgroup.com

    PS- The OS engineer behind XBox, and several of the guys on the original Google Earth Team are happy clients of mine- some makeing over 700K in salary a year– NO options or stock. Cash. Every year. at 28 Years old.

  80. boogie Says:

    To me it brings google down a LOT. I can image it’s accurate. Not that it brings microsoft up anyway.

  81. mick Says:

    I normally don’t reply to these things, but the level of Google fanboy-ism is absolutely amazing. Don’t take it personally folks, it’s only one person’s analysis. There *is* a strange cult feel to Google whether you care to believe it or not, don’t get all bent out of shape if you happen to hear about it. To put it plainly; grow up. Losers.

  82. Martin Espinoza Says:

    It boggles my mind to see all the microsofties complaining about this guy “telling secrets” about life inside. If you really have to maintain secrecy about your work, doesn’t that say something particularly condemning about it?

  83. NowAtGoogle Says:

    I used to work at Microsoft, now I work at Google. Much in this post is accurate, but mostly it is irrelevant. Engineers join Google and love working here because we are building cool technology and launching it often. It is bizarre to compare and contrast these two software companies without discussing the technologies and the development processes. Me thinks this piece of “Microsoft Transparency” is HR propoganda designed to keep engineers in their offices shipping Vista+1.

    Microsoft engineers – if you want to know what working at Google is like call one of your friends (or friends’ friends) working at Google’s engineering office in Kirkland and come over for lunch.

  84. MJ Says:

    It’s 1 person’s opinion of working in his company. Is it criminal to think of ways to improve working environment in public?

    Thanks for ‘exposing’ the other side of free food, fun college-work @ Google.

  85. Bill Says:

    I don’t work for either Google or Microsoft; I just use both companies’ products. I found the article interesting, but the comments were perhaps even more so.

    It sounds like Google does a good job of pampering and encouraging their employees, and Google gets rewarded for the pampering with a lot of extra hours. As a long time computer professional, I would love to have that opportunity.

    In regards to the outrage at the posting, if it was not from trolls, I see some signs of people that are overstressed and possibly heading towards depression. In the grand scheme a ‘compare us to them’ article is always useful. I did not learn anything useful about Microsoft, the value I gained was some understanding of what Google is like ‘under the hood’. If you you get that wound up about this sort of thing, you need to take a deep breath and take a hard look at your life. (Yes, I’ve crashed and burned — ending up with ‘double depression’ — from a software project. It can and does happen, a lot more often than you think)

    In regards to offices versus no offices, I like an office. However, having said that, I can attest that the most productive I’ve ever been was on an intense project that dispensed with individual cubicles, and went to team-sized pods. You are more productive (people can see when you’re not working), and communication is better with the other team members — you can just turn to them and ask a question.

    Me work at Google? Or Microsoft? Not likely. I’m not a major metro area kind of person. I live in a nice brick home 3 miles from work, and ride my bike to work on bike paths. On days I drive to work, I even go home for lunch…

    Good article.

    — Bill

  86. Ken Says:

    It makes me laugh that all these people leave comments saying “How dare you post this!” and “This is so horrible! you should be fired.” The article was interesting, and the whole goal of the writer was to offer suggestions to Microsoft.

    Oh yes. How horrible. He’s trying to help a company. He should die!

  87. donbodell Says:

    It seems to me that Google is a very social socialist type place (not its politics, but its living arrangements for employees) with a strong overstructure of capitalism.

    Just think that if you’re a young 20 something just getting out of a college program, where you lived in the dorms, ate in the school cafeteria and lived your life in the libraries and the athletic buildings of the college, you’d pretty much be at home at Google. Except they don’t have dorm rooms for you to sleep in. Then again, I’m guessing you COULD sleep in your cubicle!

    So, this guy, Microsoftie, has provided an interesting insight into the young worker culture of Google. Which seems alot like what I’d read about SUN and Netscape, etc., et. al. during the post Soviet fall of the mid to late 90′s, when the Internet Revolution was really firing up beyond pornography and live nude feeds at modem speeds.

    Microsoftie–you may be a RAT, but you’ve provided an interesting glimpse into something we haven’t seen or read about in about 7 to 10 years!

    • SweetZombieJesus Says:

      It sounds to me like Google’s groupthink IS socialist and totalitarian, including in its politics. Employees get reimbursed for buying hybrids while Larry & Serge fly around in their private 767. It seems they encourage political “awareness” but that translates into leaning in a very particular direction and not having any critical thought. I’m sure that the unravelling fraud in global warming data from East Anglia U is heracy within Google’s walls, for example.

      I’m considering running the Google interview gauntlet, and I know two Google employees; but my fears are confirmed. Not that it’s specific to Google, I’ve worked in that type of environment before, and I just don’t think I want any more of it.

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  90. Tom Says:

    anyone saying he should be fired is a tool. you can see the corporate bullshit leaking from your every pore.

  91. charles Says:

    Yeah, but who’s got the hottest chicks?

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  93. El Jefe Says:

    Standford sucks. The people I know who went to Stanford were basically high-functioning idiots who were of the jock/”scholar” variety — not very good athletes and not all that smart, either, but generally physically attractive. The other variety were people with connections and/or a lot of money. Mostly crap-heads.

  94. Xofis Says:

    > Yeah, but who’s got the hottest chicks?

    Whoever’s got the largest sales force ;)

  95. haryiips Says:

    Hey i find that its not the proper way to critize the internal facts of the company publically ,,, still i found that the post is baised towards that ms which is easily refeleted by the facts and figure quated in the above post .. neways its not worth saying that Google is that bad place to work on with . i think the results speaks more louder then Words and results its in front of us that Google is really ruling in the present world …if its not then Oxford wont accept Google mean to Search .

    Man if you find that working with Google is not that satisfactory then atlest one should not publish such sick critics atlest one should be healthy enough to comment on ne.. such .

  96. Ok Says:

    He shouldn’t post this because it was copied from the internal corporate email. Microsoft trust it’s interns to stay in line with the NDA, you can say it doesn’t have anything that could be harmful, but in the real world leakages cost time and money because Microsoft can’t just assume anything is wrong with this email, they have to double-check.

    This person signed a NDA, and he broke it just to get attention, I hope they find who the author is and ban him from the company (since prosecution is too harsh, but under the NDA I guess it could be done

  97. Hunter P Says:

    Never finished my degree, and I make an ever increasing living as an IT worker. I personally think that a degree is a huge risk. How do you know if your prof’s knowledge is up to date enough?

    It is interesting, though. As I spend more time in the private sector, I can definitely see the need for pure academic pursuits instead of having your time limited because in the corporate world there is financial pressure to keep a company afloat. However, the academic side is always lacking money. Anyway, without having worked in the corporate world there is NO way I would ever have known what intellectual value college can be. That said, being tens of thousands of dollars in debt with completely academic experience is a risky position to be in. If I were running a business, I would want to reduce the risk takers I have in my team,and an easy way to do that is to see if they have a degree or not.

  98. craig Says:

    I’m startled by the “why did you publish this” posts.
    What the hell? This isn’t high school, you don;t need to have “school spirit” for the company you work for. (For that matter, school spirit and loyalty is in itself idiotic…)

    The company you work for, unless it’s a small business and even then usually, is NOT loyal to you. You are a resource they use to achieve their goal.
    Loyalty to your company is foolish. Your job is a resource you use to achieve YOUR goals. If it suits them, your company will show you the door. Even the ones that value good employee relations.

    Do what you need to do for yourself, while fulfilling your moral and legal obligations to earn what you are paid. Beyond that, don’t be a fool – your company is not your favorite sports team.

  99. Ok Says:

    craig said:
    “Do what you need to do for yourself, while fulfilling your moral and legal obligations to earn what you are paid”

    Yeah, and broking the NDA he signed does fulfill his “legal obligations”… Sure

    Grow up.

  100. Haha Says:

    In case anybody is wondering, Googlers wouldn’t even care enough to circulate a similar email about Microsoft internally.

  101. Cable Guy Says:

    Why in the world would you want to work at either MS or Google? I hardly work 40 hours a week now, receive a low six figure salary and get free HBO/Showtime/Internet/VoIP to boot. Give me a break. Working for these companies is like slaving for the man! Both of them suck balls!

  102. Mark Dowling Says:

    I understand Google’s NDAs are pretty severe too
    valleywag.com/tech/google/this-nda-never-existed-230407.php

  103. Nick, a MS Intern Says:

    The reason we microsoft employees (at least some of us) are angry about this are multi-fold

    1) This is a blatant violation of our contracts. This was an internal only email and should never have been posted, no matter that the content is. What if this had held sensitive data? It’s a reflection on the poser’s character, an indication that s/he cannot be trusted.

    2) The way it was posted, on a freshly created “Anti-Google” blog by someone who identifies themsevles as a microsoft employee. Google bashing is not a Microsoft opinion or strategy, though he appears to be making statements for the company in its entirety.

    There are other reasons that it annoys me, such as privacy concers for the former Google employee, that I won’t go into. I hope that clears some of this up for others.

  104. Pissed off Says:

    Haha
    You are completely wrong. Ask some googlers about there company meetings and if MS is ever mentioned

  105. Bill Gates Says:

    You’re fired.

  106. Sergey Brin Says:

    the former employee is actually a double agent who is planting false information about us in ms mailing lists to deceive you

  107. Random Says:

    It probably has to do with legal issues. Microsoft is a hotspot for stupid lawsuits, over stupid things. In my opinion, if this was an internal blog, then it probably should have stayed internal.

    Granted, it is impossible to know of the severity of this action, or if it is even that big of a deal.

  108. Lila Tran Says:

    I don’t see why everyone is so mad about the author writing this article. He is just describing his experience working at Microsoft and Google. I am very thankful for the info because in the future if I do get job offers from both, this would be very helpful. The same would be for those who are seeking jobs now too.

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  110. Hari Says:

    I don’t know what all the fuss is about! This shows that MS is trying to change and keep up with changing times. I don’t know if MS will take these suggestions (hope they do, especially the TechStop idea) but atleast there are suggestions from employees’ experiences. It leaves a better image of MS after reading it in my opinion.

  111. Charles Leo Says:

    I like free meals.

    Food = good = productivity. Most people won’t notice this being garnished from their starting salaries. It’s brilliant as long as your company can afford to do so.

    Perhaps you can tell, but I haven’t had anything to eat today…

  112. Ryan Says:

    I think your mothership isn’t as big as my mothership so why do you want to work at the other mothership anywayz? All I know is that you get three beans for lunch and no direction from your masters and you think it’s good.

    Go work for companies that contribute to your local communities rather than building gigantic robots to take over the world and you won’t have problems being “people ready”.

  113. Haha Says:

    “You are completely wrong. Ask some googlers about there company meetings and if MS is ever mentioned”

    I work at google, sure we talk/joke about microsoft once in awhile. But if I got an email bashing Microsoft, talking about how they don’t get all our various X and Y benefits, and how you have much less freedom to choose projects you like there, and blah blah blah, I wouldn’t think “wow, this is great info, lemme go forward it to all these other internal lists”. I’d think “no shit” and promptly forget about it.

    This is only newsworthy over there because Google is well-known to be a great place to work, so when people get to hear a dissenting opinion that’s something interesting to circulate. Microsoft doesn’t enjoy such a reputation to the same degree, so if somebody got such a bit of “news” nobody would care.

  114. exmsft-guy Says:

    I’m astounded that anybody is upset about this being released. Really. There’s no dark secrets here. It’s not mean, or even particularly critical of anybody.

    You guys are not as important as you think, and fewer people than you realize give a damn.

    Stop drinking the koolade. Make a friend who doesn’t work on campus.

  115. Bob Says:

    Wow, I just can’t believe how many whiny little twits there are crying out with torches and pitchforks about this having gotten out on the ‘net.

    Seriously, do you hear yourselves? This guy’s the reason microsoft is suffering, I hope HR cans your ass, blah blah blah… This is a thoughtful and intelligent write up, and would steer intelligent, hard working, and forward minded people towards working at Microsoft. That’s gonna hurt you? Only if you’re not qualified enough to be doing your job, and those people take it from you…

    Heck, having read it from the perspective of someone who lives near one of Google’s soon to be sites, it’s steered me away from working for them other than in one of those Tech Stops…

    Yeah, really hurtin’ you guys there…oh man…

    Here…have a hanky.

    You can keep it.

  116. X-MSFTie from the old days Says:

    As someone that worked at Microsoft for about 4 years in the early 90′s this was quite interesting. Google does sound like what Microsoft was like prior to maturing a bit. All the kool-aid drinkers at Microsoft thought they were rock stars no matter if they were a naive intern, a nobody QA grunt, a HR drone, manager, a C- grad from a no name college, etc.

    Perks and benefits are great, but when the fog of the kool-aid clears in your head you look around and see just how empty the lives of those around you and you are. All you front line coders and middle managers are JUST cogs. You are bees in the hive. You are replaceable. You are there to make the careers of a few key people and to make money for a select few.

    Honest and personal self-reflection is one of the best things anyone can do for themselves. Ask yourself am I really changing the world? Why are we (or am I) really doing this? Am I really that much better than Joe over at mom-N-pop software? How can I leave a legacy of true change?

  117. AngrySoftie Says:

    Matt Damon

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  119. Current Softie in SVC Says:

    Why would you post this? Is your self-esteem so low that you have to make anonymous blog postings to feel like an “insider”?

    You remind me of the guy that was posting random docs he foudn on Sharepoint awhile back. Don’t forget what happened to him…

  120. uf911 Says:

    I used to work at MS, and now work at a different company where I’ve spent a lot of time collaborating with Google at their offices. The food is important – Google’s food is pretty much on par with stuff from Whole Foods or Pasta & Co. The current MS-Eurest food is occasionally good, but usually ho-hum, and giving it away for free wouldn’t make anyone all that happy. But Microsoft’s offices are (in my opinion) far, far better than the cubes that Googlers get. At either place the average newly-hired professional employee is going to make between $100k-$200k (all up), and most folks won’t ever make much more than $250k, no matter how long you stay. Many folks at both places seem to harbor a desire to start their own company ‘at some point’, and virtually no one at either place seems to be fully satisfied with the pace of their career growth, but the benefits and continuous train of internal opportunities keep most of those folks happy and entrepreneurially sedated. Despite the MS career ladders, competencies, etc., the company just isn’t in the kind of growth frenzy that enables significant percentages of current employees to move up as quickly as they’d like. And there’s still the unresolved glut of middle managers at MS that impede promotion for those in more junior positions. Google still has room for folks to move up the ladder, partly through growth, and partly though the introduction of extra layers of hierarchy (group managers, GMs, junior VPs, etc.). Both are probably great places to work, especially if you can reconcile yourself to a nice, comfortable, interesting career, and you have the willpower to prioritize family over work and work email. For those who aspire to more, you’ll need to innoculate yourself against the sedating effect of the benefits and ‘industry influence’, get it, build up some experience and a network, and get out.

  121. alfredo vicente Says:

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  123. Interval Says:

    The general tone of the article seems mildly anti-Google, which I suppose is not surprising. The only thing I would question is the accuracy, I have no idea how accurate you are; I do not know anyone who works directly for Google, so as far as I know your article is a complete lie, but the tone isn’t overtly malevolent. I think I can say with some accuracy however that Google appears to be kicking Microsoft’s ass however, so if you have anything negative that you want to broadcast to the net community about Google it kind sound like sour grapes if you can’t cite your observations with any supporting data, don’t you think? The Google campii might be festering sores of engineers with bad attitudes but they still seem to be accomplishing great things; they must be doing something right.

  124. alfredo vicente Says:

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  128. Tired Old Contractor Says:

    Hard to work up sympathy here. M$ vendors basically look like a legion of homeless lurking at the edges of society. The best get paid a decent wage that offsets the copay health insurance reasonably. There are sometimes bizarre restrictions on what you have access to (bring your own office supplies, don’t touch the pool table, can be dumped for no reason, etc.). The best view I had of the vendor/contractor population was one morning when a conference let out and they opened the free breakfast up to anyone, the contractors appeared out of the woodwork and all I can compare it to was seeing the lineup at the rescue mission. And Microsoft seems to be moving to a model of all support services happening through vendors, with development and some core networking services hiring through 1-year temps. Just remember, all these articles about how great it is to work at Yahoo/Google/Microsoft refers to a tiny minority of IT employees. Everybody else might just as well be a sanitary engineer, for all the good this information will do them.

  129. Almost-Softie Says:

    I don’t really understand why so many people were upset by this. As someone just out of college who is about to start at Microsoft, I actually found it reassuring. I had wondered if maybe I missed out by not interviewing at Google, and this piece has cleared up a couple of remaining questions I had. Despite the fact that posting internal mail violates company policy, I’d say that all in all this is a win for Microsoft and nothing to get too upset over.

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  133. Julian Says:

    It is just a job people, once you died you can work all you want. Until then, there are your family, friends, and intersting people of the world await you for some interesting foods, drinks and nice conversations. There are more important thing than just working for Microsoft or Google.
    Live happy and Died with out regret.

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  137. Don Says:

    Wow, so much hostility from the MS employees in the comments here. You guys a bit cranky or what ? Maybe you’re all worn out from working in that place and deep down you really wish you were the one that made this blog entry.

    I stopped buying Microsoft products ages ago and use 100% free opensource software to do all my work. Somehow I am productive and don’t ever have to patch my software all the time. There is just not a lot of compelling reasons for proprietary operating systems and the software that runs on them anymore. Your glory days are over. Just stop with the hostility and join a better company. You know they are out there, and not just Google.

  138. Dan Says:

    Guys, where did you find the guy that said this stuff, a crack-house? Working at Google is very cool – and I didn’t come here out of college! I don’t know where the guy got this stuff from but he’s definitely FOS. Not having had the chance to work for Microsoft, all I can say is that my two friends who ARE working at Microsoft are trying to get me to find them jobs here, especially after we’ve shared work stories!

  139. metaljaybird Says:

    Google got too big too quickly. They care not for an individual’s privacy right, and their cooperation with China (as did Yahoo) proves my point.

    I find most of these comments hilarious. Some are even threatening to hurt you. Let those loonies go.

    I look forward to future posts.

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  141. Dell Says:

    Very interesting and shocking… Thanks for this post.

  142. Grant K Rauscher Says:

    that’s neat, from a non-technical logistical standpoint

    with 12 years infotech experience I cannot imagine wanting to work at Microsoft, but I think Google has interesting people/projects

  143. Power of nice « chasing the sun Says:

    [...] you’re not nice to your employees, you may find some of them posting internal memos like this one comparing Microsoft and Google [...]

  144. Duck Destructor Says:

    The guys that think this fellow should be sacked are people who have been absorbed by the borg. Even the slightest indiscretion is inflated in to treachery. Rediculous.

  145. The real life at Google « Round and round Says:

    [...] can read the whole interview. Should bust some myths. [...]

  146. MrTwist Says:

    Have you tasted the food in the Microsoft cafes??? Oh my god! It is a little bit better than shit.

    Add this to list: FIRE EUREST AS THE FOOD VENDOR!

    And I find the open layout at Google to be much more conducive to communication than the single occupancy boxes at Microsoft.

    Google uses an agile development methodology and making changes is a lot easier because the dev team can get together without having to book a conference room.

  147. An Ex-Googler’s Microsoft Perspective Says:

    [...] is an interesting read about an ex-Google employee now working for Microsoft. This person may have just grown tired of [...]

  148. Anon Says:

    Anyone criticizing the publisher of this information cannot possibly be serious. There is no clearer sign of poor morale and decrepit workplace quality than hiding the true nature your working environment from the general public. It is analogous to the propaganda machine of the former USSR (insecure Microsofties) vs. the triumphantly capitalistic democracy of the US (proud Googlers) during the cold-war era.

    Acknowledge your faults, champion your advantages, and be proactive in rising up to the challenge posed by the competition. Great minds will never be retained or on-boarded by misrepresentation of the realities of working at Microsoft in the present day job market.

    [independent opinion -- not affiliated with either of the tech. behemoths]

  149. rascunho » Blog Archive » links for 2007-06-27 Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google (tags: no2google.wordpress.com 2007 at_tecp google blog_post culture) [...]

  150. Jack the Revelator Says:

    So wait…this guy switched from Google to Microsoft and now…he says bad things about Google?

    Golly.

  151. » Former Googler Talks Google Culture On Internal Microsoft Email » InsideGoogle » part of the Blog News Channel Says:

    [...] selections from the blog where this was posted: These kids don’t have a life yet so they spend all of their time at work. Google provides nearly [...]

  152. Common F. Sense Says:

    I can’t believe all of you people who are pissed off at the author for posting this. Nothing should be “ruined” for anyone. If it is, then I feel for those who put up with it. Good luck with that shit.

    From a neutral-reader standpoint (I don’t work for either company), I felt it was a fair article, highlighting some of the good (and naturally bad) things about BOTH companies. Bottom line is this. Don’t get pissed off, LEARN from the information. And yes, I’m speaking to you, Mr. CxO at EITHER company.

    I know I have learned from it. I now know that roughly $5000/year in “benefits” like free food and free broadband cannot and will not replace the time I lose away from my family by basically being a workaholic at Google. Most of you will grow up and eventually learn that control over your OWN TIME at work and at home is the most valuable benefit.

  153. MrTwist Says:

    And another thing:

    Google doesn’t seem to have the deathmarches like Microsoft.

    The fact that people work is long hours is because they WANT to, not because they HAVE to.

    The projects at Google are interesting and so it’s easy to get absorbed in the work and put in hours and hours… but doesn’t FEEL like hours and hours because it’s interesting and engaging work.

    Nobody’s cracking the whip saying “We have to hit the shipt date!”

    And as for the older family folk putting in a day and going home: Have you seen the Microsoft campus at 5pm?? It looks like a choreographed mass exodus.

    There are clock punchers GALORE at Microsoft.

    Microsoft is slowly but surely becoming another IBM.

    So it goes.

  154. Interview with an ex-Google AND ex-Microsoft Employee « Morning Cup O’ Joe Says:

    [...] ex-Microsoft Employee Filed under: Software, General — Mike @ 1:49 pm Here’s an interesting interview with a person who has worked at both Google and Microsoft.  There is an expected leaning [...]

  155. Link Love Says:

    Google vs Microsoft

    If you would have to choose, where would you rather work? Google or Microsoft? In an anonymous blog post on a new WordPress blog, somebody published an internal mail from Microsoft about the differences working for Microsoft or for Google.

  156. decisionz Says:

    Really interesting thought out information.

    Thanks from one who is outside the ant nest and google house for some insight.

    As usual the comments may be even more interesting. They seem to reveal some minds I would prefer never to work with in real life. Of course I have no way of telling whether they are for real, so no point…

  157. Diga não ao Google « tomáS Says:

    [...] No post inaugural do blog ele faz uma entrevista com um ex-empregado da Microsoft que fundou uma empresa que foi comprada pelo Google, através da entrevista ele desmistifica alguns aspectos da política de RH do Google. [...]

  158. Paul Says:

    This is the lamest excuse for Blog-ossip I have ever seen. This is supposed to be “controversial” and give you pause for wanting to work at Google???? What?! Every one of you sit there and think about your own jobs. If all you can come up with is the “complaints” found in this memo, you quite possibly have the best job on earth.

    To all the rest, now stop being jealous, go to work at your obviously lame-ass job, and study harder and you just may be able to work for a company as cool as Google (or MS or Yahoo! for that matter) some day.

  159. SR Says:

    Good one. Thanks! Everyone has freedom of speech and expression and most of the negative comments above are baseless! :)

  160. ex-googler bei microsoft im interview « rolf generated content Says:

    [...] um arbeiten@google herumgereicht. peinlich nur, dass sich jemand dazu bemüßigt fühlte das ganze auf einem anonymen wordpress blog zu publishen. einige kommentare und ein paar stunden später ist das ganze dann auf [...]

  161. Internal Microsoft Email about Life at Google at thoughtPad @ RaneSphere Says:

    [...] linked to a blog post that has an internal Microsoft email with a comparison of working at Google versus working at [...]

  162. Steve Says:

    Thanks for posting this! Even though it sounds like your fellow MSers are appalled, as an outsider I think it says a lot that:

    1. You felt you could share this with the outside world, and
    2. MS hasn’t taken it down yet

    Personally I have no experience with either MS or Google except as a consumer, so I had no idea there was any sort of rivalry. Google has been getting a lot of press lately as a good place to work, which I’ve noticed mostly seems to come from younger folks, so as a “mid-timer” myself this is very good information to have. The bit about industry experience not counting definitely hit home. No thanks – been there, done that, paid the price in early burnout.

    PS. You’ve been Slashdotted.

  163. jenkem Says:

    how about the fact that in the bay area you have to go to mountain view to work at google? isn’t that a good enough reason why working for google sucks balls

  164. Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective « I am Sofa King. Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective (Just Say “No” To [...]

  165. Jobs Says:

    Man, you should have the read the posts of some of the big figures of MS about the bully culture in MS. Gates, Balmer and pretty much most of them.

  166. MNC Lives Says:

    Nice Article and I must say Life is Great at Microsoft And Google.

    You guys should have a look at Hewlett-Packard (GDIC) , India.A Lady employee was finally murdered ,something Hewlett-Packard waited for 2-3 Years because things did not go so far as death and taking action would mran loss of bribes/commision to management,bad name to department a waste of time. and finally when 1 employee was murdered, Hewlett Packard CEO commented “We will ensure murders do not take place”.

    I bet the whole definition of MNC would change.

    Microsofties and GoogleItes have fun and you are anyway making progress and coming up with great products anyway.

  167. shaholy Says:

    yeah yeah yeah

  168. Tim Says:

    What the hell is wrong with the people attacking this blogger?

    It’s a fair post, you’re pretentious judgements really offend me. Thanks. BYE :D \m/

  169. J Noonan Says:

    Interesting read. It made me like Google more than I did before…and not just because the have the better search engine.

  170. Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective « Cornelius’ Blog Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective Interesting post on life at Google. Good read. [...]

  171. Jengates Blog » Blog Archive » links for 2007-06-27 Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google (tags: google microsoft humor) [...]

  172. Reflections of a BizDrivenLife » Blog Archive » Designing Workplaces that Attracts and Motivates Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google Many of you were asking for the feedback I received from my interview with the former Google employee I hired into ABC Development as a Sr.SDE. Here it is. This candidate is also a former MS employee who left the company and founded a “Start-up” called XYZ. XYZ was purchased by Google and he was hired on as a Senior Software Engineer II / Technical Lead. Here is his take on Google’s environment as well as areas Microsoft should consider improving in order to be more competitive. [...]

  173. Google Vs Microsoft - Employment « Something should go here, maybe later. Says:

    [...] 28th, 2007 by scrubone Interesting post on working for Google, from someone who purports to know what Microsoft was like at the same stage. [...]

  174. Mark D Says:

    Seems like sour grapes to me. Google isn’t circulating an internal memo comparing themselves to MS. It’s like a guyA trying to get a girl by listing why he’s better than guyB. Just seems icky and lame.

    Doesn’t matter. I don’t think google is where they’re at because of the culture, nor despite it. It just has nice (wall) street cred and a good buzz. At some point, if google fails to meet analyst expectations, they’re in trouble. And the free meals ain’t gonna help.

  175. Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google « Catnippet Says:

    [...] at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google The following has been making the rounds on just about every internal email list I belong to in [...]

  176. Bill Gates Says:

    Please step into my office. Thanks.

  177. Wahyu Says:

    hello bill gates :P

    may i ask ur singnature? :P (bill gate holic)

    LOL …..

  178. Ronda Says:

    Why did you publish this??? What the f*** is wrong with you?? I hope they find you and sue your ass.

  179. thein Says:

    xin chao !
    Cám ơn tất cả mọi người đã biết và gia nhập với chúng tôi

  180. Google/Microsoft/Yahoo!。 « 最後的春闈。 Says:

    [...] Jun 27th, 2007 by Chen 這兩天有篇很有意思的blog,簡單比較了一下Google與Microsoft的工作文化、環境、生涯規劃甚至薪資;由於之前去Microsoft Seattle on-site interview過,加上前幾天偷偷跑到Google吃了一頓,再加上一些朋友多少都會談論,這篇blog所寫的內容大致上非常真實。Microsoft的辦公室最尊重engineer,Google的campus就太過活潑,來美國這麼多年,我還是不太能適應這種太活潑太有朝氣的環境;說難聽一點就成了張牙舞爪了,搞個Paul Allen計畫的民航太空梭放在campus,這實在超過我對一家公司的預期。 [...]

  181. Carlos Horn Says:

    Chupa el pico, i el gulo.

  182. Daily Ideas » Blog Archive » Reading for June 27th Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say ?No? To Google – A disgruntled ex-Googler is not impressed by the company’s famous culture… [...]

  183. Google? Not for me... - Eric Wise Says:

    [...] http://no2google.wordpress.com/2007/06/24/life-at-google-the-microsoftie-perspective/ [...]

  184. Wahyu Says:

    tata elninyo???

    LOL….. mak nyus mak nyus

    GOOGLE IS THE BEST

    if no google i cant do my home work :P

  185. arar Says:

    i think everyone should take a deep breath and read the introduction again. this may have been circulating in MS internal lists, but it DID NOT ORIGINATE AT MS. the author / interviewer clearly says that the candidate he hired was a FORMER employee of Google AND a FORMER employee of Microsoft. So he worked at both places, and was now interviewing at a THIRD place where this interview took place. NEITHER OF THEM ARE UNDER CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION TO EITHER MS OR GOOGLE. They can say, and publish whatever they want.

    Hell, we’ve got former CIA heads blabbing about how the Iraq situation got so screwed up . . . so where’s the harm in this story?

    so ease up you softies . . . nobody’s betrayed you. and nobody is getting in trouble with HR, because the guy doesn’t work there anymore.

    peace / out

  186. super Says:

    google ?? Microsofot? i should offer which offer??ha ha

  187. Life working for Google and Microsoft? « Kok Chiann Says:

    [...] (Taken from Life at Google – the Microsoftie Perspective, June 24th 2007) [...]

  188. nysdelight Says:

    google is know worldwide.. provides info 24/7 to world wide..it should offer all that is mentioned and more.. it is the only way to be productive and to succeed..

  189. Dave Says:

    # charles Says:
    June 27th, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    Yeah, but who’s got the hottest chicks?

    C’mon, someone answer the question. That’s more intersting then the rest of the crap some of you are whinging about.

    • SweetZombieJesus Says:

      There aren’t very many chicks of any sort in software development (maybe 10% or less).

      Now marketing and sales, on the other hand… I should tell the story about when Gracenote came to my startup’s offices and how the engineers were drooling.

  190. bj Says:

    Nice work; I think google still looks great after that. They both have a few pluses and minuses.

    If microsoft is so great, why don’t you do a server of the contractors who work there.

  191. .... Says:

    my ex worked at google while we were dating… and that is the reason he was my ex… i saw him maybe 2 hours a day… 30 mins in the morning.. maybe 1.5 hours at night, and even then his face was behind his laptop, sifting through many many emails. sometimes i would get lucky and he would come home early… and spend his time on conference calls during dinner… it made for a great relationship…

  192. arsenalist Says:

    Damn…this is an eye opener.

  193. Travis Parks Says:

    Free food . . .

  194. liquid06 Says:

    That sort of protection and control over “internal” messages tends to happen when the company is too big and not ready to communicate effectively. That simple lack of communication happens because everyone wants control over every message sent by every employee to anyone. Realistically, that would never happen.

    I applaud whoever it is that posted this, but I would distrust it if it were, as one commenter said, an HR-based morale booster.

    Anyway, I just wanted to say I enjoyed reading it (and the comments as well). Kudos.

  195. rorygilmore Says:

    I’m willing to work for google :p

  196. Jerry Says:

    what more can u expect from an IT sector company. They lure you with glittering offers, and you end up selling your soul to the devil …

    At the least Google being a ‘product’ company the ‘incentives’ are quite good, like free food, laundry etc.

    Trust me when i say this, its worse in ‘service’ sector companies. Leave alone the fact that there is no free food and other stuffs like that, they cut down your incentives if the client whom you are working for gives you some allowances like free travel, food etc …

    its pathetic … so its always better to sit at home with friends and write your own code…

  197. syedhuda – links for 2007-06-28 Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google (tags: google culture career work jobs office microsoft) [...]

  198. Yev Bronshteyn Says:

    This certainly gets one thinking…

    I disagree with the point about career path… a big buzzword in hiring today is “passion” – if you don’t have passion for the job you were hired to do, you shouldn’t be there! The whole notion of a career teleology, a set of steps you take to get from role A to role B is, in my opinion, misguided and smells of a big HR bureaucracy.

    Furthermore, it does not seem inappropriate that Google strives to take hassle out of engineers’ lives so that they in return can provide a greater commitment. Just think of all the companies that don’t provide food, laundry, gym, transportation but still ask for the insane hours. Here’s a blog entry from an Engineer at ThoughtWorks – imagine long hours coupled with obscene travel requirements.

    Of course, there is definitely a negative “spin” to the information provided here – the author interprets flexibility of seating arrangements as “Google believes that developers are, with few exceptions, interchangeable parts,” for instance – but that too is explainable. Google (no pun intended) “cognitive dissonance,” if unfamiliar with the term… personally I find most of the practices described in the post quite reasonable, but this author cannot possibly allow himself to think that way… to do so would contradict his earlier decision to leave Google and would cause a fair amount of discomfort. People tend to shape their own thinking to justify their previous decisions and that is what’s going on here.

    Like any company, Google has its pluses and minuses, and not everyone is a good fit for any company. Clearly this author needs a more rigid corporate structure and direction than Google provides… he seems to need a closer relationship with a middle manager who will schedule his 20% project time and who will pick up the conflict resolution role… that’s all well and good. I don’t think there’s anything here to give Google a bad name, or Microsoft an upper hand in the talent hunt.

    Oh, and I am in no way employed by or affiliated with Google. Except that they’re my default search engine. :-)

    • SweetZombieJesus Says:

      Regarding career paths (or the lack thereof) I used to wonder why so many of the pioneers of the computing industry (like the guys who worked on the Apple II, or the guys who wrote the early Atari arcade games, etc.) dropped off the face of the Earth. Now I understand why — burnout, no career path, no social/family life, and despite the success stories insufficient rewards for what you put in. You watch sales guys work 1/2 as hard and make 2x the money.

      Ever wonder why you don’t see many engineers > 40?

  199. So what’s so bad about working at Google? « NullPointerFactory Says:

    [...] 28th, 2007 An e-mail allegedly leaked from within Microsoft about the opinions of a defected Googler has gained quite a bit of fame, including coverage by [...]

  200. Life at Google - The Microsoft Perspective « Alex Torex Blog Says:

    [...] 28th, 2007 Link Posted by alextorex Filed in [...]

  201. Google Quick Links: 28 Jun 2007 « Sabahan.com Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective An anonymous blogger posted an alleged email circulating on Microsoft-internal mailing lists. The post compares the working culture between Google and Microsoft. Google was voted as the best company to work with in the US according to the Fortune magazine the writer probably didn’t like to hear that. Mary Jo Foley of ZDNet tracked down what looks to be the author of the email. [...]

  202. Bala Says:

    That Free food concept is super kool, the strategy behind that is ultimate.

  203. sycopant Says:

    My suggestion would be that you bend your head and do your work. Once you are in the acheivement mode, nothing matters.

  204. Digital Punch Says:

    Speaking of Google taking over the US… check out our short comedic video in Episode 18 of Digital Punch. It’s pretty funny, if I do say so myself… You can see it here

    -Digital Punch TV

  205. za Says:

    Wow, first visit! I didn’t know there such a thing blog

  206. mohsin Says:

    :) professional jealousy. i guess! it’s good.keep it up.

  207. Google vs Microsoft.. hard to find rivals « All About Mobile…. Says:

    [...] issues one needs to undersatnd how much are Google and Microsoft rivals, this can be felt with the post that was posted on a blog which i really think the blog was specifically made for this (only one post + the name suggests) [...]

  208. blackrimglasses.com » Blog Archive » Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google: 100 developers to one manager????? If I had a dozen developers…. evil laughter You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site. [...]

  209. gags Says:

    hmm man… usay MS is good ..
    but neither from ur blog nor from people who are commenting here(specially those who are sending ur mail id to HR) make me feel other way :D

  210. links for 2007-06-28 « Romulo Lopez Cordero Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google (tags: google microsoft culture work office) [...]

  211. Not Alex Hall Says:

    I hate Alex Hall. He’s such a bastard

  212. Bjork 2 Says:

    whoa.

    You have some seriously god points!

    http://Googleverything.com

  213. Yes2Google Says:

    dude, i don’t know what planet you come from,
    google is the company of the future!!
    we love google and your conspiracy theories are nothing but mere stupidity.
    you should really have done more research coz you seem to know jack about google!
    WE LOVE GOOGLE, and we SAY YES to google!!

  214. Google vs Microsoft.. hard to find rivals « Dive Deep into the Mobile World….. Says:

    [...] issues one needs to undersatnd how much are Google and Microsoft rivals, this can be felt with the post that was posted on a blog which i really think the blog was specifically made for this (only one post + the name suggests) [...]

  215. Watergate Says:

    Thanks for the info. I really appreciate that Microsoft wants to do better — as a holder of gobs of stock, I don’t want them to get soft (no pun intended) but keep trying to do better.

    I own some Google as well, but I am disturbed that they support the ChiComs’ restriction on internet searches, which is consistent with an insular “we know best” culture (even if they often do know best).

  216. Mafaz Says:

    Phew…All the way reading the comments…I feel this revealing did point out some facts about how companies should change their strategies. It may be unethical..yet it’s good to know how ur neigbours are behaving.
    That “Tech Stop” concept is remarkable… ;)

  217. Psychohistory Life at Google: The Microsoftie Perspective « Says:

    [...] June 28th, 2007 — Adam Nash I, like everyone else, am enjoying reading this post of pseudo-Q&A with an engineer who worked for Microsoft, then joined a startup that got acquired by Google. Not [...]

  218. ORB Says:

    so whats the deal?

    1. u created “no2google”
    2. u rite good things about google, contradictory 2 above
    3. u r an m$ employee, contradictory 2 above
    4. u created the blog in wordpress (and not in msn spaces), contradictory 2 above

    why is everything contradictory?

  219. truth machine Says:

    What kind of moron calls his blog “no2google”? What are you, Steve Ballmer’s butt slave?

  220. Maninder Says:

    can any one tell me how to make it to work at google or microsoft
    mail at robin8719@gmail.com

  221. Water slides » Life at Google: The Microsoftie Perspective Says:

    [...] of the world. Microsoft is an amazingly transparent company. Google is not. Any peek is a good peek.read more | digg story Permalink [...]

  222. Null Says:

    If this in fact was an internal Microsoft email, for those people who don’t understand why the leaker shouldn’t be fired, I guess they have NO concept of a NDA and legally binding contracts.

    It’s absolutely standard practice throughout the industry.

  223. None Of Your Business Says:

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    Thanks, Best.
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  224. Satish Manish Says:

    Proprietary software is old news, free softwares/OS and web applications is the future.

  225. Razvan MIHAIU Says:

    When Google is going to realize that “private offices are valuable for technical staff” then they are going to be F**K*D !

    This is the worst mistake a company can make. People who are not constantly supervised are going to loose time. In fact, offices should be organize in such a way that every employee could easily see what others are doing.

    People are constantly trying to find positions where their monitor cannot be seen, because they want to read newspapers, play online games, check their e-mails or engage in chat conversations all day long.

    Even with constant monitoring those things are still going to happen, but people are going to be reasonable. If a manager goes by your desk 5 times and each time you are reading newspapers then you are going to have a problem.

    If you have a lot of time to waste then the timetable for the assigned task is wrong and it should be adjusted.

    Employees that are loosing time are like cancer for a company. The battle is not just about them. Laziness is like a disease. Once a few people have it, it *will* spread around. Coworkers will see that it is pointless to *really* work inside the company. They will take the example of the guy who reads newspapers all day long. They will see that working hard is not required and they will inevitably draw this conclusion: the company doesn’t appreciate people who are working. Your coworker is loosing time while you are working and both of you have approximatively the same salary. Is that fair ? You bet it is not. What is worse is that this kind of laziness is going to soon integrate into the culture of the company … and then you are really F**K*D !

    My opinion is that it is better to have minus 2 employees in the project than to have one employee in the project that is not required. Also, the employees MUST be supervised constantly but also with short meetings (15 minutes per day) in which the status of each team member should be analyzed.

    Regards,
    Razvan M.

    • SweetZombieJesus Says:

      I’ve worked in both environments. Open cubes are good for interacting with the team and sharing ideas, but bad for when you need to put your head down and crank — too much noise, distractions, people walking by, movement in your peripheral vision. The guy behind you crunching on a crinkly bag of potato chips. The guy across drinking a soda. The guy in front has his music too loud through the headphones. Zero control over ambient lighting.

      Someone with a private office could be playing solitaire. Someone in a cube could be talking with his neighbors instead of working.

      Personally, I’ve been most productive when I had an office with a door I could close when needed or leave open the rest of the time (at Dialogic).

      If you’re not productive, it’s going to show quickly in the quality of your work and your status reports, then when you slip your deadlines. Regardless of having a private office.

  226. Microsoftian analysis of Googletastic corporate culture » Home of the Soul Cookie Says:

    [...] The one and only post of significance (i.e., ignoring the WordPress default “Hello world!” post) on a new blog called Just Say “No” To Google claims to be a mass-distributed email from the Microsoft email network comparing and contrasting their company to Google. Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective [...]

  227. Biiiiiiiiiiig Al Says:

    Aaaaaaah!? Since you guys seem to be on a roll… How abt we talk abt all those companies/organisations/places not listed here… Eeer like those security contractors in Iraq; White House; Apple; KMart; MacD; IBM; Oracle; Sun etc

    Everywhere is the same and if Google emulated M$ or whoever then they wouldn’t have an identity and possibly we’d have ended up with just one M$. Maybe thats what happened to Netscape!? Novel?

    Do yo thang where ever you are… whatever you do to get the job done.

  228. Pratheep Says:

    You all are afraid of the Big G. That is why you create such postings :)

    Pratheep

  229. ZENiTH Says:

    I work for a small IT company in South Africa and, even though we are catching up fast, we still have a long way to go in terms of company structure and processes in this country. This article is brilliant and can teach the rest of the world a lesson on what to do and what not to do to improve. I’ve posted a link to this on a local SA tech site over here:
    http://www.systemshock.co.za/forums/index.php?showtopic=14344
    I’m sure lost of other South Africans will respond to this article over there.

  230. 3rs Says:

    I like the idea of a tech stop. I hate calling the helpdesk and wiating days before I can get something installed on my work box!

  231. Capi's Corner Says:

    Life at Google

    Interesting mail supposed to be from an internal mailing list of Microsoft about life at Google compared to Microsoft. Despite the discouraging blog title (”Just say ‘No’ to Google”) the published e-mail is rather balanced in my…

  232. Banzai Bananas Says:

    First, thanks for posting valuable insight, even if it reads a little bias here and there.

    Second. When corporations get large, they tend to suffer in the relationships department, leaving the ants who work on the projects pretty much in the air.

    Thirdly. It’s incredible that so much people either blindly “believe” in Google, or are notoriously proud of MS, like it is so much less FUD and more solid-state. In many ways, it actually is, but Google is full of goodness as well.

    Lastly. If there is ANY advice in this, and you truly want to be a great developer, you have to do it yourself. Invent your part of the digital world, and drive it to success, and do not look back. Large corporations almost always tend to fence you into a corner. Google or MS are no different in this. What you need to be successful, though, is to go see all corners.

    Cheers.

  233. kamal Says:

    :-)

  234. Il fantasma del GooglePlex « Raccolta e idee digitali di un mondo digitale Says:

    [...] Vnunet pubblica la notizia di un ex dipendente Google, ora assunto da Microsoft, che racconta la verità sull’essere dipendenti Google e lo fa tramite un blog anonimo. [...]

  235. Basic Thinking Blog » Google bietet Widget-Entwicklern Geld an Says:

    [...] auch das ist spannend: Just Say No To Google, das Blog eines ehemaligen Google-Mitarbeiters, der von Microsoft zum Feind übergegangen, doch [...]

  236. worker bee Says:

    Makes Google sound better than my corporate drone job. Where’s the kool-aid so I can drink some?

  237. cynthia Says:

    very interesting.But whatever it is my dream company will always be google

  238. ms in the world Says:

    How about all the people that work in the real world, a subsidiary in the more that 130 countries ms is in, or even google. Just because the headquarters, redmond, mountain view are cool, doesn’t mean that is “LIFE AT MS/GOOGLE” there is a much bigger world out there and it would be incredible if you people acknowledged it once in a while.

    I am an ms employee and I love it.

  239. sex24 Says:

    hmm, life is to choose, isnt it?

    well google aint offended coz this blog, so relax…..

    on indonesia my salary is Rp.5,000,000 per month (pretty good locally). in dollar it will be only USD.600/months … that is the real suck!!!!

    so lets watch dogs having sex, heavy weight sex (elephants and rhinos)

    http://telanjang24.blogspot.com/

    (ha ha ha … my blog belong to google.com)

  240. sex24 Says:

    my
    http://sex24.wordpress.com/ is still under constrcution….

  241. She Says:

    Honestly lol…each work place has its different flavor. At the end of the day, it’s whether the flavor is something you like or not :)

  242. Arnar Says:

    Interesting. The Joel on Software link is some kind of internal Outlook WebAccess link though.

  243. Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective « sunXran Says:

    [...] http://no2google.wordpress.com/2007/06/24/life-at-google-the-microsoftie-perspective/ [...]

  244. On the Web, no one knows you’re a Microsoft employee | eUlagam Says:

    [...] posted a first entry on a new “Just Say No to Google” blog. The subject of the inagural post: “Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective.” (The e-mail is now also linked and being discussed on [...]

  245. poetlost Says:

    Hmm. Interesting. I saw the title and thought it was going to be a rant, but it turns out to have some degree of objectivity and balance to the person’s observations on Google. Fortune magazine did a cover story on Google and their love of chaos at work, and managing chaos. I believe that this informality and apparent lack of tangible organization at Google (in contrast to MS) may be linked to it. Check this link out (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/02/8387489/index.htm)

    Besides those observations, I have nothing else to add. I am also not sure what your thought process was in placing an internal memo on a public blog, unless it is a planned leak.

  246. Wahyu Says:

    everybody calm down!

    better u go to my place! indonesia

    and also u can go to bali for take a rest :P

  247. Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective « sanity .. insanity .. and moi Says:

    [...] But nothing is what it seems … read along – Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective [...]

  248. Google vs Microsoft: Who would you rather work for? « JimStroud.com Says:

    [...] Curious? Read more: Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective [...]

  249. 24Randomthoughts.com » How Very Interesting Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google [...]

  250. Ioannis’s Studio » Google versus Microsoft Says:

    [...] found an interesting article about life at Google versus life at Microsoft. Worth reading. [...]

  251. Old enough to know better » Blog Archive » Wouldn't want to work there myself Says:

    [...] blog article allegedly looks at what it’s like to work at Google from an ex-Microsoft employee’s [...]

  252. aristillus Says:

    I WORK 8 AM – 8PM EVERYDAY SINCE I CAN REMEMBER AND I AM NOT A WHINING BITCH LIKE YOU ARE. I WONDER WHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD YOU CAN GET FREE EVERYTHING TO BE FULLY FOCUSED IN YOUR WORK. BAH, HUMBUG

  253. ..::urang a.k.a Saiful Adnan ::.. » Blog Archive » Google From a Microsoft Perspective Says:

    [...] “Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective” is an alleged mail circulating on Microsoft-internal mailing lists. It checks the pros and cons of working for Google in comparison to the Microsoft culture. From that mail: [...]

  254. monkeydust Says:

    great insight and well written post – thanks – tech stops sound like common sense doesnt it but so in-frequently seen…

  255. Nawaz Abdul Nasir Says:

    How about all the people that work in the real world, a subsidiary in the more that 130 countries ms is in, or even google. Just because the headquarters, redmond, mountain view are cool, doesn’t mean that is “LIFE AT MS/GOOGLE” there is a much bigger world out there and it would be incredible if you people acknowledged it once in a while.

    I am an MS employee and I love it.

  256. Phaenorealismus » Blog Archive » Leben und arbeiten bei Google - Aus einer “Von nun an arbeite ich wieder bei Microsoft”-Perspektive Says:

    [...] Life at google (Thx slashdot) [...]

  257. Mutt Says:

    I’ve only recently read up a little bit on people who’ve lost family members to cults, and a lot of these glassy-eyed responses (“why did you post this attacking us?!”) are scaring me more than a little.

  258. Rob Lazzurs Says:

    Hello,

    Excellent entry, nice to read some of the nice things that MS and Google do for their employees.

    Just one small thing, the link to the joelonsoftware site takes you to exchange.microsoft.com instead of the site.

  259. lvowell Says:

    “Maybe I’m being unfair, but it seems strange that an employee at a company like Google or Microsoft would need a tech department to fix their computer for them”

    So all programmers/developers are hardware, OS and systems experts? /rolleyes

    Anyway…

    Very interesting read. I will leave my retort on business ethics and interoffice politics for another, more deserving post.

  260. Zaza Says:

    Microsoft or Google…

    They are both amazing places to be @!

  261. The Third Bit » Blog Archive » Interchangeable Parts Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective has been doing the rounds, so I might as well link to it as well. One can speculate for hours about whether it’s genuine, or a very clever piece of agitprop. [...]

  262. Balance » Blog Archive » All work and no play… Says:

    [...] realistically call himself a good father/partner having to devote 8-10 hours a day to his job? A leaked email from an ex-google employee gives an insight into their world where you are given free gourmet food [...]

  263. Edi Says:

    For any organization to succeed, it needs people who are dedicated to work. If you cannot give that dedication, quit that company. Don’t send remarks about a company which pays you like crazy. You are putting up your collar [I work with Google] just because few people put their share of hard work. This attitude is not good.

  264. Ken Says:

    I read only first few paras, and found it very boring. I am sorry to say, to me it looked like it is been forefully made up to run campaign against Google.

    I hope it could have been more interesting and honest.

    Thk you
    ken

  265. rationalpsychic Says:

    Some people have been working for “the man” a little too long and hard. Lighten up. Declare your freedom from your capitalist masters.

  266. energiadomani Says:

    Google is Evil! I always thought it!

  267. Roho Says:

    Interesting to read this entire story. I started it to find out why working at Google is not so much fun as it appears to be. But when I finished the story all I got was some general remarks about not enough pay and benefits and no separate offices for all.
    Uhm, weird, I never really had too much or enough pay, but I always made ends meet. Sometimes I had my own office, but most times not. Never really bothered me.
    The end of the story is a list of things that are really great at Google and not so great at Microsoft.
    So, if I had to choose between Google and Microsoft then using this article I would definitely go for Google.

  268. Banana man Says:

    Hilarious!
    Quit at Microsoft and join Google!

  269. 爆料 | Victor’s Blog Says:

    [...] mailing list 上看到 Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective 這,後來看到「Google離職員工爆料 [...]

  270. Shahryar Ghazi Says:

    hmmm…

    battle is heating up every passing day

  271. My Own Pirate Radio » The Seamy Underbelly of MicroGoogleSoft Says:

    [...] particularly the high engineer-to-manager ratio. I’d always heard it was about 50:1, but this blog post I came across yesterday suggests ratios of 100 to 1 are not uncommon. Now that’s flat. [...]

  272. Rocky GAG Says:

    I just jumped ship from one huge contractor to a small one ……..

    They Old guys were moving to open space ….. The new guys offices, new has Gym and all the more google crap. + More $

    Work about the same hours as the Google guys, but NO E-mail at home, I have a life!

  273. 榴海飘飘 » Blog Archive » Google的一亩三分地 - Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective Says:

    [...] 一个来自microsoft内部的人,把一分在内部讨论流传了很久的email发布在一个个人网站上。当然这个建立在BSP wordpress下的个人网站只有一篇文章,就是这篇叫做”Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective”的文章,以及将近300封的回复。 [...]

  274. Tahir Says:

    It is just a religious war between Google and Microsoft. nothing else. Look at the age of Google and the age of Microsoft. Google beats out the way …

  275. Life at Google - max - блог разработчиков Says:

    [...] Читать полностью: Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective. [...]

  276. jared l. Says:

    you sucks!

  277. BillG Says:

    People at Microsoft are also allowed to run Linux. And Perl. And Java. Any open source software is welcome.

    All open source software can be used at Microsoft unless explicitly expressed by their licences, and as far as I know, no license prohibits it.

    A very different scenario is to include that source code in the product. That is not allowed, because the license usually implies that the resulting software must be open sourced too. Even if the license does not directly imply it, the open source software may be using other open source software that has a more restrictive license and therefore a court of law potentially could force you to publish the source. That’s considered a very dangerous scenario at Redmond, not because developers will be able to compile the sources, since software evolves as new features are added and has many bugs to be solved. The real problem is that the software product unknowingly may be violating patents, and therefore Microsoft could become sued for millions of dollars for every patent. It is known that any patent lawsuit at least cost one million dollars both for the patent holder and the defendant, so the potential loss, even if Microsfot wins all te lawsuits, is too high.

    Also Microsoft employees are explicitly required not to contribute to any open source initiative, not even on their free time. I guess that was why Linus Torvalds has never worked for Microsoft.

  278. Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective » The Progress Bar Says:

    [...] an interview with someone who worked at Microsoft and now works for Google. There was a similar blog last year, don’t know what happened to it. Office culture, cube [...]

  279. Rekkid Says:

    Fun post to read, I don’t see what all the fuss is about. If I was the guys manager I wouldn’t care that he posted this.

    I find the free food thing pretty crazy. I know the company I work for would never consider such a thing.

  280. mark Says:

    Great posting … not sure what all the Microshafties are whining about. It’s no deep dark Microshaft secret.

  281. BeastTube Says:

    Developers, developers, developers!
    I have 4 words for you: “Google this shit now”

    maybe you can upload next a link on Youtube showing the offices…

  282. Chris Pietschmann Says:

    Thanks for posting. It’s always nice to get a little insight as to how the Big Companies are run.

  283. DinoHorse Says:

    You know what, this was not cool… :(

  284. Mr. So What? Says:

    Really, who cares? Agreed, it was an internal-only email and shouldn’t be posted, but I see no damage to either company. Google is still a young start-up but with deeper pockets. In a few years they’ll be more like Microsoft and Apple: solid performers with talented people wanting to do a good job and to hell with the frills. As for the free food, I’d rather keep it the way it is at Microsoft: subsidized. We eat for *cheap* and we still get to vote on what we eat by the way we spend. Plus, why force those who bring their own food to work or like to eat off-campus to forgo salary?

  285. Aaron Says:

    “My opinion is that it is better to have minus 2 employees in the project than to have one employee in the project that is not required. Also, the employees MUST be supervised constantly but also with short meetings (15 minutes per day) in which the status of each team member should be analyzed.”

    That opinion is so typical of a middle manager who is obsessed with micromanaging his employees. It’s bad for a million different reasons, but mostly it creates a sense of mistrust between the manager and his employees.

    My company specifically avoids that type of behavior and it’s been very successful. If you can’t trust your employees to work most of the time, then you hired the wrong employees.

  286. Nainil Chheda Says:

    This is an interesting post. I would stay Neutral to both the companies even though my car license plate still reads “Google … I’m Feeling Lucky”.

  287. thak’s cool links » Just Say “No” To Google Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google.  Very interesting. [...]

  288. On The Turning Away » Googler Myth Debunked? Says:

    [...] this purported “Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective” came our way none sooner than we drank the Kool-Aid. Suspend your disbelief, you’ll [...]

  289. Oliveira Says:

    I just added this to my google reader. :D

  290. Andreas Lohr Says:

    For a much younger company like Google it is much more easy to create a good reputation like for a big, old market leader. Google seems to make a great marketing job, that all. But of course, at some point also negative comments get out. If somebody really searchs for information about Google surely he will find even more…

  291. huhWhatHuh What Says:

    So, this seems mildly interesting but who is the source of this information? :) “Consider the source” as they say…

  292. WorldLifeSite.com Says:

    Great post!

    I thought it very fair to both companies. I do not see any problem with one company questioning about the work environment of another, particularly a competitor.

    I think this gives many in IT a better view of each company. The research you do doesn’t give you this kind of insight.

    Thank you for this post, it was very interesting.

    And YES! – Free food is important.

  293. Wahyu Says:

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  294. pffft Says:

    Anyone who thinks MS should cut salaries and offer its awful cafeteria food for free is clearly a moron and anything else he/she says should be discounted as the ramblings of an idiot.

  295. links for 2007-06-28 « /tmp Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google (tags: google interesting) [...]

  296. reflections » Weekly Web Roundup - #2 Says:

    [...] off this roundup we have a bit of SCANDAL! I got tipped off about a blog post that talks about what it’s like to work for Google and Microsoft. The post was written anonymously, after the contents of it had been in the Microsoft internal mail [...]

  297. digitalMoto.net » Just say ‘no’… Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective [...]

  298. Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google « The other side of the firewall Says:

    [...] 28, 2007 at 11:33 am · Filed under Google confidential, Google Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To Google: interesting [...]

  299. name Says:

    Microsoft transparent? Show us the code Monkey!

  300. As a google employee and former microsoft... Says:

    This guy’s full of crap. I’ve worked at Google, and interned at both Google and Microsoft repeatedly.

    1) “some people are on email 24/7, some just til midnight” – What? Who’s up hawking their work mail 24 hours a day? He’s saying a significant portion of the company *literally* does not sleep, and only the more ‘experienced’ guys realize it’s ok to sleep at midnight? Riiiiight….

    I’d say the work schedule here is pretty darn normal, and much more flexible than anywhere else I’ve worked (ESPECIALLY microsoft, which has much more of a grindstone-these-are-the-hours-you-work feel to it). People come and go whenever they please here. Within my own group there’s morning people that are in from 7-4, and night people that are in from 1-10pm. Your hours are your own, as long as you’re productive. I’ve worked some long days, but only because I wanted to, because my project was much more interesting than the kind of stuff you do at Microsoft (unless you’re in their research department, which isn’t the whole of the company)

    2) “not everyone does 20% projects” Well sorry they don’t go out of their way to make sure everybody uses their 20% project. It’s completely your option, and everyone in the company has a right to it. How much of your workweek at Microsoft do you get to devote to projects entirely of your own design?

    3) “no private offices” I can see this being a problem for some people, but honestly if you try it out you’ll find shared offices make collaboration a lot easier.

    4) “not enough management” You have got to be the only person I’ve ever heard of complaining about not being managed enough. Most of us LIKE the freedom.

    5) “career development only leads to more money and better titles” Why SHOULD being a good engineer automatically lead to becoming a manager? Does everybody want to be a manager? If I wanted that I’d have gone for that position specifically. I’d rather just advance as an engineer, in the job I chose in the first place.

    6) “too many perks makes it hard to transition when you leave” Umm…ok, great complaint.

    7) “Microsoft should pay less and make their food free” Microsoft’s food SUCKS. It’s the free GOOD food at Google that people like, I’ll pass on the free slop thank you.

  301. Blogupdate 28/06/2007 « ipsa scientia potestas est Says:

    [...] through the google vs microsoft environment comparisons … Note: Hey for every one its own style. when it works and you make revenue with your company [...]

  302. Linus Torvalds Says:

    microsoft is a sinking ship…bail out now!

    google is evil.

  303. No, Searching for a New Job Is Not an Appropriate Use of Your '20% Time' | Digital Daily | John Paczkowski | AllThingsD Says:

    [...] a contrast in perceptions, yeah? Funny, how quickly the hottest-of-hot Valley companies can begin to lose currency in tech’s talent pool. Not that we haven’t seen this sort of thing before. [...]

  304. soaking wet, wet, wet Says:

    I love the comments from the people so utterly indoctrinated that they compare a corporate entity to a significant other :D

    Tell me again, why is the worlg like it is, and where did the empathy go?

    Significant idiots.

  305. abu ameerah Says:

    Interesting Post. Thanks

  306. vanni Says:

    gee… as i user i know naught but that i grok google while MS has lost my mind-share. MS will never be leading edge if in fact it ever was. I cannot think of ONE cool or just plain great tool that i need from MS. nada. Google on the other hand i use daily. You know you guys at MS just don’t get it. You had your chance and you blew it. AND you allow the weirdo who goes around prancing on stage like some crazed gorrilla to work along side with youse… jeez what up with that! You all ought to chip in and get him an iPod loaded with smooth soothing music and get him pluged in. Best of luck in finding some mojo.

  307. Jimmy Says:

    Any company whether it is Google or Microsoft pays you to do the job and give benefits to keep you happy so that you can work more.

    Now, I can understand that Google’s Management wants their employees to be on job for as long as they can because their small requirements like laundry, daycare, etc is taken care off. I think it is good management and perfect example how to get most of your employees.

    No one is to be blamed here. Whichever company it is, PROFIT is their BOTTOMLINE and they will do whatever needed to keep it growing. If you have complains then why give a damn, work for yourself and show you got guts to do so otherwise stop whinning and get back to work.

  308. Web Worker Daily » Blog Archive Google vs. Microsoft vs. Me « Says:

    [...] vs. Microsoft vs. Me An anonymous blog entry, “Life at Google – the Microsoftie Perspective,” has been widely linked in developer circles in recent days. It purports to be a report by a [...]

  309. Google vs Microsoft Crap « Chai Garam - Refresh Yourself! Says:

    [...] Say no to Google [...]

  310. special tommy Says:

    kool-aid comes in a lot of different flavors.

  311. Erik Says:

    I know a “new-gler”. He’s said pretty much the same thing as was posted here. Other than the few quibbles already mentioned, he’s happy–especially when it’s a sushi day. Just imagine free all-you-can-eat sushi for lunch!

    His only complaint not mentioned here is that they make him code even proof-of-concept software in C++, even though he knows he could get the job done in a third of the time in Java. That would be big for me, too, if for no other reason than the amazing number of ready-made open source libraries of high-quality Java code for doing nearly anything you can imagine. I’ve written stuff in Java in a month or two that would have taken a roomful of C++ coders years to put together.

  312. Chicken Says:

    A company becomes successful and makes the work environment for their employees comfortable and convenient.

    So…that makes them bad?

    You obviously need more work experience. Try working for a company that makes you pay for parking and coffee.

  313. The Web of 6.28.2007 « Ramblings Says:

    [...] at Google, insider e-mail from MS headquarters. There is something about this that irks [...]

  314. Daniel Says:

    When can I start?

  315. Nicodemus Says:

    Will they change my underwear for me, too?

  316. John Calcote Says:

    Another major factor of getting good people at Microsoft might be cost of living in the Redmond area. Like Google in Mountain View, one of the biggetst problems MS has is that they MUST hire people at all salary levels. If they only needed to hire staff who would earn 150,000 plus per year, they would have half a chance, but they also have to hire various positions at 50,000 and below. This causes problems with housing. People earning less than 150,000 have to have both parents working such jobs in order to survive in the Redmond area, or else spend 2 or more hours per day commuting to and from work. Open up to the possibility of telecommuting. This is an amazing benefit – it’s not for everyone, but for those that can do it, it allows them to live where it’s cheap, and work for a great company like MS.

  317. Anon Says:

    I think the title is a bit mis-representative of the article. The interview was good though. Too many people complaining about working at MS or Google, try cleaning dog crap for a living, Google is heaven compared to that. In the end, if you don’t like where you work or how work is treating you, quit.

  318. Milton Says:

    I used to work for google too and they didnt pay me for 2 years. I was moved into the basement and everyone tried to take stapler.

    I am planning my revenge.

  319. dansa Says:

    Developers are such babies.

  320. Xantares Says:

    Dude, dude… I’m 50, work for FMC and get a Shelby Cobra for a company car… Oh and I write signal processing software…

    dream on u silly boys

  321. Bill Says:

    I just wanted to say “Thank you” to both Microsoft and Google and since both sides are apparently reading this:

    I appreciate the freebies that they both offer me, the end user. I use Google Apps, Picasa, Gmail, and Analytics on Google’s end. On Microsoft’s I use Windows Live Onecare, Office Live Basics, and IE7. Thank you to both companies for all efforts focused on small business.

    I don’t know what your facilities are like but really it is kind of like saying “I think Walter Payton was the best running back ever or I think Barry Sanders was the best running back ever.” Who was the best really doesn’t matter. What matters is that the NFL would have never been the same place with either one’s absence. I believe the same applies to Microsoft and Google.

    Thanks again.

    -Bill

  322. artgod Says:

    but did you get a red stapler?

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  324. Norbert Says:

    Standford sucks. The people I know who went to Stanford were basically high-functioning idiots who were of the jock/”scholar” variety — not very good athletes and not all that smart, either, but generally physically attractive. The other variety were people with connections and/or a lot of money. Mostly crap-heads.

  325. sal Says:

    Agreed. Standford grads are generally pretty dull and generally a-holes.

  326. zOinks Says:

    Anyone in the X or Y generations will understand google. Babyboomers will never get it. This is because X & Y aren’t interested in climbing corp ladders, kissing corp a** and trading their personal life for career. Google embodies everything X&Y want – interesting and rewarding work, personal lives (even if they might start out IN work) and dare we say – FUN in the workplace.

    Google’s founders are brilliant – they figured out how to harness and retain passionate people. This is the future – good bye baby boomers!

  327. Trip Hop Clan » Blog Archive » Life at Google from an former MS Employee Says:

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  328. Wahyu Says:

    battle of the years

    long life for linux :p

    microsoft suck

  329. jars.de » Google vs. Microsoft, Wii Laserschwert, Blog, ... - Java und Technologie Blog von Markus Junginger Says:

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  330. Beth Says:

    I loved this post! One of my friends’ husbands works at Google and she is most definitely drinking the Kool-ade. He’s travelling forever for work, but they’ve got the discounted hybrid car thanks to Google and she thinks Google are so “down to Earth” because one of the CEOs recently got married and there “wasn’t any publicity” — that’s because he’s no Brad Pitt, just some CEO!

    I do live 15 miles from the heart of the Valley, but I find there are way more Berkeley grads with attitude problems around here. I run into very few Stanford Grads – but I will say my mom (who went to Stanford) used to say it opened doors for her to have graduated from there.

    I love to hear about the man behind the curtain. You couldn’t pay me to drive (or even ride) that far down into suburbia for work.

  331. no2google Says:

    I’ve made a backup of this post at no2google.blogspot.com

    champon

  332. Bill Says:

    I see nothing wrong with this post. I was with JBoss when we were acquired by Red Hat, and we also had some cultural differences. Some people in Raleigh were total “kool-aid” drinkers when it came to Red Hat. Other folks in the Atlanta (JBoss) office were all over the JBoss kool-aid. The problem was that each flavor of Kool-aid was different, and not everyone liked the other flavor so much.

    Bill

  333. Personal Bytes » Life at Google Says:

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  334. Just Say No To Google - Life at Google - The Microsoftie Perspective - Ej.am Forums Says:

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  335. navk2005 Says:

    completely incorrect.

  336. Google from a Microsoftie's perspective | Net Magellan Says:

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  337. Mr. Bean Says:

    I don’t understand all the hussle… I mean, it is a great post, tamen maybe dangerous to post, at the corporate-level…

    I still love google and I still want to work there though…

  338. links for 2007-06-28 | IndianGeek Says:

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  339. working at Google « bookweevil Says:

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  340. Googler Says:

    I heard some buzz about this article on the net, and now that I’ve read it I’m… disappointed? I guess I thought this was going to be a huge exposé of any flaws in [the dozens of] Googler perks, but a lot of it’s just outdated or untrue rhetoric that we’ve been hearing from MS and other competitors for years. I’ve seen a million of these from ex-MS people, and trust me, they put these claims to shame! The post is also an acknowledgment of everything we have at Google, why we’re happy, why we’re #1, and only retorts with claims that are just silly, like “hot breakfast is only served until 8:30.” I only get to work before 9:30-10 a few times a month, and I’ve never, ever missed out on my favorite made-to-order omelet :)

    I also have serious, serious doubts as to the legitimacy of this post for the simple fact that I can’t fathom anyone who’s worked at Google (or read more than one news article on the company, for that matter) that would write “Larry and ‘SergIE’” and refer to them as the “management team, etc.” :)

  341. Life at Google | NIGHTLINE Says:

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  342. Junior Says:

    Re: “I also have serious, serious doubts as to the legitimacy of this post for the simple fact that I can’t fathom anyone who’s worked at Google … that would write “Larry and ‘SergIE’” and refer to them as the “management team, etc.” ”

    Can’t people read and think? This posting was written by the person who interviewed the former Googler, not the Googler. Sheesh.

  343. Senior Says:

    Junior, I can read and think. The body containing references to “Larry and Sergie” and the “management team” are (apparently) written by the ex-googler who is answering the questions. Not by a third party.

  344. Wahyu Says:

    Jose = joenior senior LOL

  345. Heather Paquinas Says:

    Geoffrey person won’t be fired because it was the HR person who posted this, and not Geoffrey from phatbits.com, as Mary Jo Foley found out.

  346. Girl Capitalist Says:

    Google is not the end all and be all. My friends work there so I don’t have to, I just head on over to have lunch with them and eat all the yummy free food.

    One thing he didn’t mention, which it would be prudent to, is that working at Google makes you eat all the time. If I worked at Google, which I don’t, thank God, I’d pack on twenty pounds, at least!

  347. Google: Shocking Insider Secrets Says:

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  348. Pascal Somebody Says:

    Senior, you still have it wrong. The ex-Google person didn’t write anything. He might have said something that was written down by the interviewer, but he didn’t write it. Trying to parse this out as the exact words (and spelling) of the ex-Google person is foolish. Take it for what it is, the notes of someone talking to someone else.

  349. Jef Menguin Says:

    Who’s the author?

  350. WildOne Says:

    You know Google isn’t perfect but any junk coming out of Microsoft or should I say Microhell should be taken with a double shot and a beer…because Microsoft lives to bad mouth everyone or buy them…or crush them if they don’t play ball….personally I would buy stock in apple since windows is a cheap knock off..

  351. GoogleFan Says:

    I have visited Google campus, seen the work culture and it IS A LOT OF FUN! Employees DONT stay there all day just because company takes care of them, there are equal number of family people. Everyone has to work hard no matter where they get a job, at Google they just make your work life easy for you.

  352. patorjk.com » Blog Archive » A peak inside Google... Says:

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  353. Charles Says:

    Good, interesting memo, with some potentially useful bits of information.

    The maelstrom of comments left, though, give one pause; they’re mostly divided into two camps – the googlers saying that the memo is some kind of scathing (possibly untrue) attack on google (which the memo is not), and microsoft employees who again see it as an attack on google that was an internal memo and shouldn’t be published.

    My memo to both camps: It’s not an attack on google. It’s an analysis of a few things that google does, a few things that microsoft does, and how microsoft might be able to improve by implementing some of google’s ideas. It breaks down like this:

    Good things at Google: Free food of a good quality; an environment that will really take care of you if you want to be taken care of; GREAT IT system.

    Things about google that are different than at MS: Lots of open workspaces, no offices; a somewhat anarchical heirarchy

    Things that MS may do a little better than google: promotions and moving up in the company (though to be fair, the author said this could be improved for both companies).

    Now, none of that is any form of indictment about one company or the other. It’s an analysis of what google does that MS doesn’t, what MS does that google doesn’t, and areas where MS should consider moving towards a google approach. Not only is this not bashing, it is healthy and constructive. It sounds like the IT system at google would be a great system for ANY technical firm (not just MS), and is really a tremendous idea. At the same time, it’s fair to acknowledge that some people prefer to have offices rather than open cubicles, and so in that respect it might not be good to adopt that idea.

    It’s really nothing more than that. But for what it is, it is well written, straightforward, and analytically fair, which is unfortunately more than one can say about most of the posts on this page.

    Anyways, kudos to the author of the memo – for someone who works at neither MS nor Google, it was an interesting read!

  354. Samurai Programmer.com : Google - not quite the Mecca it's made out to be? Says:

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  355. El famoso artículo de cómo es trabajar en Google según un empleado de Microsoft « JNOJ3681 Blog Says:

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  356. Oh Says:

    Oh holy fuck, this is the guy who wrote the email. Read his new post about it:

    http://phatbits.com/

  357. Oh Says:

    And the person who wrote the blog is Melissa McMullen of medi-vets.com? That’s the mailing address she gives in the comment where she says she backed this blog up on blogger.com.

  358. 浩宇 Says:

    Orz.. That sucks!

  359. Oh Says:

    Is Melissa real? This was all I could find about her in Google:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=news&q=%22melissa+mcmullen%22+medi-vet&btnG=Search

  360. A View from Elsewhere : Not Well Met Says:

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  361. sunnysardine Says:

    Google 的文化不是原創的!基本上有許多 Google 的文化可以從《Walden Two》找到的!類似…
    1. 年輕人多
    2. 提供生活必需品(只有「必需」喔!T-shirt、保健、洗衣、休閒場所 etc.)
    3. 個人項目時間開放性的環境共用空間(任何地方都能辦公)
    4. 簡單的管理結構(一模一樣:individual – manager – division v.p. – management team)
    5. 比較低的薪水
    6. 快樂的環境 :)

    如果 Google 真的就模仿 Walden Two,如果 Google 真的成功了(目前看來是相當成功),那麼就恭喜 B. F. Skinner 了,他的假設與設計成功了。

    Free food 能讓 MS 更好嗎,這樣的問題就像在問 MS 如果吸收了 Google 文化,會變成更強嗎?依 Maslow 的概念來看,顯然是不能的。Google 和 MS 的員工是有差異的,他們追求的東西是不同的,羊不吃肉;狼不吃草。MS 要做的是什麼?…

    延伸閱讀
    http://sunnysardine.blogspot.com/2007/06/re-life-at-google-microsoftie.html

  362. Gurudatt Shenoy Says:

    I work for a software firm in India called NetAlter Software in India. I have worked with a 8-9 other big and small firms during my 15 year career.

    And I feel there is no better place than NetAlter….for the following reasons.

    1. It is a small firm. In a smaller firm, employees have direct access to the management. I personally talk to the CEO everyday and can freely discuss ANY issues. The idea here is even if a firm is BIG, each employee should have access to the CEO.

    2. Though the office timings are fixed, there is loads of flexibility. One is not made to feel guilty for coming late. Because what matters is the final OUTPUT. If you are coming an hour late, you have to go an hour late. The office shuts down at 7pm.

    3. No one is required to work overtime (beyond office hours) or on weekends unless there is some important meetings or work. People get incentives in case they have to turn up on weekends or stay late.

    4. We get free tea and snacks at company expense three times a day on our desk. Though there is a limit one can order from your restaurant of choice.

    5. Individual creativity is encouraged. The managers are friends with their subordinates. Basically the manager hires people he already knows.

    6. The company gives everyone a certain fixed % raise regardless of performance (everyone is good and everyone performs) . Those who perform more get promoted with a bigger raise. Those who do not perform at all eventually leave on their own.

    7. Those who complete a year, every year, one gets a year end bonus.

    8. Loads of holidays and leaves and some of it can be encashed during year end..

    9. Office Politics is not encouraged and being a small firm, everyone knows each other. Indulging in Psycho fancy cannot take you anywhere. Only brilliance can.

    10. The technology we are working on is cutting edge…We can have the latest hardware and software…as per our job requirement. The targets are challenging and self motivating..

    I hope NetAlter stays that way even as it grows into a bigger firm…

  363. behindhiddendoors Says:

    i like this post. i don’t care much whether it should be an internal matter or not, but since i like it, i hope you keep your job. =) i enjoy transparency, even though it sometimes ticks people off, because it provides useful information on how things can improve. i appreciate the post, and i wish you well. =)

    cheers.

  364. Tim Sahling Online - Blog » Blog Archiv » Wie ist das Arbeiten bei Google wirklich? Says:

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  365. Talking Out Of Turn » Inside Google Says:

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  366. karenigan Says:

    Work is Hell and Google is no different. Its worth it to the ones who are in position to make money on their options.

  367. Jenson Says:

    Well, after reading this post, I find that I would prefer to work in Google more, because I want to work in an environment which I will enjoy and get satisfaction from. Of course I would like to see some additional elements like what was mentioned in the article, from Microsoft side, I think there wouldnt be any harm done to the current Google culture by adding in a few more elements from MS culture which is deemed better than Google and it’s nice to have. Even without that, I will still feeling happy working in Google, that’s sort of close to perfect environment, which I think I will give a 85% out of 100%. Nothing is perfect =)

  368. Life at Google - The Microsoft Perspective | blog.theBartels.de Says:

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  369. My Global Career » Blog Archive » Tracking MiGoYa – Microsoft, Google and Yahoo Says:

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  370. heikoditges.de - Der Blog » Google VS Start-Up Says:

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  371. Robert McLaws: Windows Vista Edition : The 'Life at Google' Author Speaks Says:

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  372. Linden Lab is the young Google? « Game programming & other nonsense Says:

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  373. Morning Brew #46 Says:

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  374. David Palmer Says:

    What is all the fuss about him publishing this. It is very interesting; I knew Google had to be wasting all that money somewhere.

    What seemed to be missing is how each staff member knew what they should be doing on a given day. With 100 direct reports their Managers must burn out or be completely ineffective.

    As for all that free food it is hardly healthy, mind you at Microsoft you get all chocolate and fizzy drinks on tap.

    I think both companies should look at homeworking, it would save them on office space, food, tshirts and increase productivity (with people working in the time they would be travelling). Google sounds so disjointed that it would probably not notice if the cogs were working from home.

    Another question I would have asked is what are the share options, these were always good at Microsoft.

  375. The Talent Terminal» Blog Archive » A Microsoftie’s Perspective about Life at Google Says:

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  377. naikrovek Says:

    @OK: It didn’t come from a microsoft internal email list, it was merely forwarded around on them. How can someone who works at Google (as the person who wrote this article clearly does) send a microsoft confidential email to microsoft confidential email lists? Answer: He can’t! He didn’t! This didn’t originate within Microsoft.

    Its not Microsoft Confidential if it didn’t originate on a Microsoft Confidential list or contain Microsoft Confidential information.

    You megalomaniac (look it up) wannabe attorneys need to learn to read.

  378. collin Says:

    long work time?
    in switzerland it’s normaly to work 8 h per day. but the most have 9 oder 9.30
    and the benefits are very small in switzerland. i think, when you have so much benefit like google, than it’s normaly that you don’t earn so much money like others

  379. Google employee reveals it all to Microsoft « News by Sam The Happy Man! Says:

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  380. Prabhuraj Says:

    Go Google!!!! Its simply great, no more explaination necessary!

  381. Kaobanga Blogas » Blog Archive » IT korporacijos: žvilgsnis iš vidaus Says:

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  382. Aaron Hopkins Says:

    who is google?

  383. What’s it like to work at Google? « Later On Says:

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  384. BillyWarhol Says:

    Praise be to Google for Freeing us all from the Shackles of Microsoft*

    Years upon years of shoving Crappy expensive software down our throats without any choice* & muscling innovative software with their own crap versions – basically by getting the Morons in Corporate companies to buy into Microsoft crap*

    Cheers!! Billy ;))

    Peace*

  385. links for 2007-06-29 | The Marketing Technology Blog Says:

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  386. alice Says:

    wow. are microsoft employees really that bitter?
    carry a big stick.

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  393. bali seo Says:

    cool article guys .. need to know more stuff huh

  394. Colonel Nikolai Says:

    What’s so hilarious is how people are so up in arms about this kind of corporate “security” being “leaked”. If your (technology) company strategy has to be a secret to be successful, I’d say the strategy was probably pretty lousy.

    A real strategy is one that can stand the test of transparency. “Cogs”, beware of secret strategies. Aside from SEC filings, they are bunk.

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  397. More... Says:

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  399. Nick Says:

    Interesting insider secrets of working at Google. First of all, I’m a little surprised Google pays less than MS, Google continues to boom and such. I’ve seen a video on television a long while back, it was on the Oprah show believe it or not–working at Google and it looked like a dream. Of course it won’t provide all the little things or what exactly goes on typically. I still would want to work for Google regardless of this story. It is shocking that Google values degrees over industry experience. Most jobs and interviews I’ve attended, exp is above all….period.

  400. Just say “no” to Google? : Googlehupf Says:

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  401. fx73 Says:

    dude, you totally got it wrong……………
    it’s ok microsoft it’s a great place to work but it has nothing to do with google’s policy wich incluides a strong motivation, ping popng games in the office and a more relaxed working environment.
    Microsoft is way to serious.
    besides, if google is realy such a bad place to work, ask yourself why its still the best search engines (better than windows live) and the best mail (also better than windows live with 1gb more of room).

  402. My main site is down… « HarleyQuine.com Companian Blog Says:

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  403. Life at Google - A Microsoftie Perspective « kpowerinfinity Says:

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  405. isaacisback Says:

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  406. Prod Prof Says:

    Eventually – I hope, people will come to understand the nature of people !
    When we feel we have been aggressed (this guy probably couldn’t find his size in the t-shirt bin or something complained and then got fired !) – we sometimes do something stupid.

    The fact that these were questions at the late stages of a job interview kinda says that this guy would do anything to get this job and feed his family (if he has one) – and so would you.

    Relax people – have been a developer for just about every platform under the sun at some point – and some you won’t hear about for a couple of years, and to be honest, it’s all much of a muchness.

    When working on a project you become immersed, really – and nothing else is really important until it lights up – in front of your eyes on a box that you conceived.

    I do have a few concerns though :

    Why are you amazed that this post was released at all – it’s great for microsoft and Google – just look at the responses and who posted them – great marketing for microsoft – and a great return tool for google.

    The person who released this is not the author – be careful !

    What’s wrong with a little biased truth ? We all live our lives by ‘what we know’ (or at least think we know)

    Those who have worked where I have worked will understand that sometimes the guilded cage is exactly that – a cage – underground and cut off from the outside world until the project is finished – AB & C’d. (Governments are the worst – though BT is the same in the UK) And yes you do get your meals for free – through a slot next to where you sleep.

    On a security issue – yes I believe that everyone has the right to there own ‘space’ cloistered, especially on sensitive projects (Ishould know) and their space being protected from their managers and IT folk until it is time to present.

    When everything is laid on for you – even accomodation I believe at senior level – what the hell are you upset about ? And you get a salary aswell ?

    Grow up world – take your punches – finish work – go home – make love to your partner – kiss the kids – get drunk – go to the cinema – have friends round – get married – tell your parent’s that you love them – and give the homeless guy outside your building something to look forward to everytime you pass (food or beverage, cigarettes but not money).

    As for the tech stop – great idea – better if the machines didn’t fail in the first place (premier link in the chain – IT budget and bad buying) – but if you are a developer – seriously – just let the team have the corporate account number – the corporate credit card number and restrict that ! I hate using W as a developement evironment but sometimes I get asked – I build my machines – and everyone out there has the knowledge to do just that – your machine – your spec. What could be simpler ? And everyone has a budget according to his station. (If someone overspends on his budget here – what’s the problem ? And if someone underspends – he get’s it in his salary – it is in the budget for the year after all)

    And finally – can anyone get free food at Google – and is it any good ?

    PP

  407. shahid707 Says:

    i felt like both google and microsoft office are practicing life style, that of the ancient days Philosophers used to have with their acquaintances. research on and on, without a personal general life.

  408. The Programming and Management Blog » Developer Links for 30/06/2007 Says:

    [...] Just Say “No” To Google If you have not come across this post already then you must live in a hole. But I will include it for you hole dwellers. An interesting comparison between life at Google and Microsoft. Google it turns out does not pay as well and Microsoft has better health care. Lots more interesting insights to be learned. [...]

  409. meneame.net Says:

    El lado obscuro de google o el desprestigio de parte de Microsoft?

    Un ex-empleado (cuya identidad se desconoce) de Google muestra el lado oscuro de trabajar para la compañía y es que contó con detalles a un entrevistador de Microsoft la experiencia de haber trabajado para esa compañía. Es verdad todo esto o son t…

  410. renaissance chambara | Ged Carroll » Blog Archive » Links for 2007-06-28 [del.icio.us] Says:

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  411. Wahyu Says:

    Microsoft suckkkkkkkkkkk!!!!
    microsoft fuckkk!!!!!!!

    go go open source

  412. GeekFM » Werken bij Google vergeleken met Microsoft… Says:

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  413. Rob B Says:

    Seems to me that this e-mail must have been written by Microsoft as a propaganda job to blacken Google’s name.
    But I think it had the reverse effect.
    Reading between the lines, it seems that Microsoft is a controlling, bureaucratic nightmare to work for, whereas Google is much more freewheeling and self-reliant.
    As for the Microsoft people who thing the writer should be fired – that just shows how paranoia fills the halls of Microsoft!

  414. July 1st « Accounting & other business related info. Says:

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  415. royandy Says:

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  416. Eric Says:

    you don’t be evil?

  417. Leben bei Google - aus Microsoft Sicht :: everflux Says:

    [...] Life at Google – The Microsoftie Perspective « Just Say “No” To GoogleInsgesamt kann man sagen: Die Befürchtungen von dem, was einen bei Google stören könnte, werden noch übertroffen.Aber auch die positiven Aspekte sollte man beachten – und davon lernen, wenn man selber mal ein multimillionen Euro Unternehmen führt. [...]

  418. Prod Prof Says:

    OK guy’s, I speak and write in seven languages – however – linguistics is my thing – if you are going to post in French,Italien,German,English,Spanish,Portuguese or Russian let me knowand everyone can read your comment.

    PP

  419. David Says:

    Ok. It’s harder to working at google? Well, after reading that Microsoft employees cant even download open source softwares ( http://martinfowler.com/bliki/RubyMicrosoft.html ) I still would prefer to work at Google.

  420. Ex dipendente di Google svela alcuni retroscena « «Naqernet» Says:

    [...] Ex dipendente di Google svela alcuni retroscena 1 07 2007 Un ex dipendente di Google passato alla Microsoft( dalla padella alla brace aggiungo io..) ha inviato una e-mail a tutti i suoi nuovi colleghi descrivendo l’ambiente di lavoro del più grande motore di ricerca come un inferno mascherato da luogo allegro e sereno. I pasti gratis sarebbero una scusa per tenere i dipendenti lontani dalle famiglie se non addirittura un incentivo a non mettere su famiglia; la reperibilità deve essere di 24h su 24,7 giorni su 7 (alla faccia..) e chi non finisce il lavoro in ufficio deve in ogni caso concluderlo a casa propria; spazi ristretti e c’è persino chi è costretto a lavorare nei corridoi. Ai meritevoli sarebbero preferiti i laureati in prestigiose università. Se tutto questo sia vero o no non ci è dato saperlo..ma da Microsoft non mi immagino certo un isola di pace tra gli uffici dei dipendenti..L’email originale la trovate cliccando qui. [...]

  421. Openews.it » Blog Archive » Le condizioni di lavoro in Google non sono le migliori Says:

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  422. A Says:

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  423. Bahaah Says:

    Hilarious, the curtain is lifted for a peek at life in Google, and the open sores Gestapo throws a hissy fit.

  424. taylor parsons Says:

    I have to say there is something compelling about free food, and onsite service like dental care. I work really hard and love working on solving problems, writing simple software that works well is easy to maintain, and helps people.

    I have a life outside of work, and I really think that makes me a better worker. There is nothing worse then being burnt out. I have reached that point a few times, and it is not worth it. Having a life outside of work forces me to shut down, and when I return back to work I am refreshed.

    I have worked with people that barely left work. Those people got a lot of work done, but they would get tired and make sloppy mistakes, or be a pain in the ass to work with because they were grumpy.

  425. Developer - Portugal Says:

    All this makes me laugh, honestly.
    I used to work in a company (industry, non-IT related) where we started at 8 am and sometimes left about 21pm or more, even if our normal exit hour would be around 17pm.
    The schedules were pretty rigid. It was said to us that the example to production teams (arriving on time) should came from top, including the IT team.

    Anyway, we worked so many hours because we were passionate about what we were doing. No one forced us to be there so much time. We knew we were taking part of a state of the art project that it was a brand new approach in our line of business and we loved being part of it.
    And yes, there were no dental plan, no laundry, no free food, and so on. On top of that, we had our personal lifes to deal too, which some times was very difficult to cope. But those were great times for me, maybe the best times.

    My conclusion? Google may be fantastic for some, at a certain moment in their lives and microsoft too can be great. But not for everyone, and not everytime.
    People who tend to want more than they are prepared to give will always be uncomfortable.
    For all this, I think you should be ashamed to be so unelegant with your former company.

  426. Andrew Says:

    I would like to add here something that I heard a university professor saying to a group of graduating students: “Young people, please remember that you should always take challenges and pursue your goals! Just remember that everything comes at the expense of something else. And there are things you never get back later in life (for any sort of money) – and that is the time you’ve missed to spend with your family (or loved ones)”.
    So I personally find it very hard to understand the workaholics, working from 8 to 22, in the field of IT, many working with systems that will be obsolete in (less than) 10 years anyway. Is it really worth it?

  427. Working at Google | #comments Says:

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  428. A CRM Riff : The Google and Microsoft weekly highlights Says:

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  429. The Google and Microsoft weekly highlights - Noticias externas Says:

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  430. htgsd Says:

    It might not be OK to drag internal stuff to the public (well, in fact it isn’t) but nevertheless I like the discussion around it. It is understood that no company is perfect. But it is a valuable information about a company how it deals with critique. This is to be seen (for both of the companies involved) …it will become interesting, i’m sure.

  431. La dura vita di un ex-dipendente Google Says:

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  432. cyberflaz » Google? Forse non è il paradiso dei programmatori Says:

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  433. Robbie Kiama Says:

    lots of people said that this person is an idiot for publishing this information..
    I think I can’t agree with that!

    On one hand – he is not right because he probably signed some papers not to disclose this info, but on the other hand – we are entering an age of “light” = meaning that all the info will be accessible, and no company should hide nothing. If a company has something that it’s ashamed of – well then it’s about time to fix that!
    I am building a company, it’s a startup, and I would rather have my inmates or people from outside – tell me what I am doing wrong then trying to guess it for 5 years and finally bancrupting because of the lack of knowledge – of what I did wrong.

    So in my heart – I approve this person for letting the world know, what is it inside of these companies, and let us decide for ourselves!

  434. Life at Google? « Talk nineteen to the dozen Says:

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  435. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » MSN and Yahoo pact to fight Google! Says:

    [...] Dirt on Google from former employee quote: The culture at Google is very much like the old culture at Microsoft back when the company felt like most employees were in their mid 20s. These kids dont have a life yet so they spend all of their time at work. Google provides nearly everything. Read the Full Story [...]

  436. Karl Fogel Says:

    Hmm, I don’t think this take is accurate in all respects… a lot of the older people I knew there were pretty excited about their work too, and giving the college kids a run for their money. (Disclaimer: I worked at Google briefly in 2006, but left amicably to do nonprofit work. I’d still recommend it to others as a place to work.)

  437. Obiter Dictum - What’s It Really Like To Work At Google Says:

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  438. The Microsoft-Google spy affair - CorpBlawg Says:

    [...] wink the title is fairly appropriate. The object of controversy (or at least, a lot of interest) is this blog post by an anonymous Microsoft employee (via Heather). In it, a Microsoft recruiter interviews someone [...]

  439. Google v. Microsoft, from the trenches « a n d y r a i n e y Says:

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  440. Interesting read... | gotITsolutions.org Says:

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  441. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » NYT reporter sits in at Google Says:

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  442. RBL Says:

    Keep the free food and T-shirts. Show me the money.

  443. Working at Google, the perfect job? Says:

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  445. jackal Says:

    If you are not satisfied in your work! just Quit! Simple as that!
    Leave life men!

  446. Interesting Google facts « 64 Degrees and Cloudy Says:

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  451. John Says:

    Wow. 450 comments. Does Microsoft still have the system they did years ago, each year the programmers vote to have 5% of their peers lose their jobs, in an attempt to improve quality?

  452. The Dude Says:

    Ich versteh das Bashing nicht. Eigentlich bekommt man nur einen subjektiven Eindruck erzählt und so sollte man es auch sehen. Everyone can feel free to post his point of view and everyone can feel free to pick out the things of interest for him. And believe it or not.

  453. Stancel Spencer Says:

    hey look at this blog! I didn’t know this was happening…weird! A joint project of Google and Newscorp!

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  454. 谷歌治印 Google Blogoscoped 中文版 » 微软眼中的Google Says:

    [...] “在Google的生活 – 一个微软员工的自述”据说是一个在微软内部邮件列表里流传的邮件。它比较了Google和微软的文化,列出了在Google工作的优缺点。邮件中写道: Google的文化很像微软的旧文化——就是当公司感觉大部分员工都是20多岁的时候。这些毛孩 们还没有自己的生活,所以他们把所有时间都用来工作。Google向这些人提供他们需要的几乎任何东西,从衣服(没人每周两件T恤!)到食物 ——一日三餐,免费又大碗。另外还有医疗、牙医、洗衣、健身房等等。想象一下从大学到这个环境里,你还能看到每个人的工作量。人 们大多是每天从上午10点到下午6点都在公司工作,但几乎每个人都要24小时Email待命,而且大多数人晚上都会花大量时间在家里工作。 [...]

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  456. Google e Googleplex visti da Microsoft : bloG-bloC >> Osservando le evoluzioni << Says:

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  457. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » Organic search results show https:// - help! Says:

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  458. 我blog故我在 » Blog Archive » Life @Google VS Microsoft… Says:

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  459. EwanSilver.com » July 10 2007 Says:

    [...] life-at-google-the-microsoftie-perspective Interesting that the comments on the blog from what appears to be the Microsoft contingent are trying to skin the guy alive for posting what appears to be a reasonable comparison on the two companies. Makes you wonder how much of a flash in the pan the Scoble openess was… [...]

  460. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » MSN and Yahoo pact to fight Google! Says:

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  461. Димос Says:

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  462. Another List of Development Stuff to Think About « Half-empty, Half-full Says:

    [...] of the typical life at the Googleplex, (from Time magazine if I remember it right.) Here is however a dose of stuff that somewhat doesn’t really paint the same picture, (to say the least,) inside the [...]

  463. Culture at Microsoft & Google at Michael Specht - discussions on HR and technology Says:

    [...] blogger posted what is meant to be from an internal mailing list in Microsoft that compares the culture of the different workplaces. The comments, all 425 of them at the time of writing, tend to indicate that the email might be [...]

  464. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » PR update Says:

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  465. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » Dirt on Google from former employee Says:

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  466. Amy Says:

    Firstly,
    I don’t have a problem with the content published, I don’t know why there is such an ‘outrage’.
    Secondly, I think you should get over it! I am a highschool teacher and working 10-6pm would be great!! I work at least 9 hours per day (of the school week) then some more on the weekends. Furthermore, my work does not offer the benefits Google does so I think you should think yourself lucky to have a job (let a lone one at a place which offers so much incentive)! There are a lot more people in a rougher place than you (I’m not one of them, I actually do love my job).

  467. Destination USA Says:

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  468. Google: The best place to work at? « My Easel Says:

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  469. The Internet As I See It » Blog Archive » Peek perspective “Microsoft perspective about google” Says:

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  470. nanikore Says:

    I also think the title of the post is wrong- The post doesn’t seem like any sort of negative criticism of Google.

  471. Élet a Googleplex falain belül | Keresőoptimalizálás blog - Longhand Says:

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  472. Obiter Dictum » Blog Archive » What’s It Really Like To Work At Google Says:

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  473. this is february » While I summon the energy to get posting again… Says:

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  474. #30 Sommerhitze, arbeiten bei Google und SAP in Phil’s Podcast Says:

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  475. Google from a Microsoftie’s perspective | Net Magellan Says:

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  476. Chattanoogan Says:

    Misleading title. According to the interview, Google has some advantages over Microsoft.

  477. Rob Says:

    I graduated college a year ago from Lehigh with Computer Science degree and it’s so true how students are looking to “be taken care of” after school. 9/10 graduates in my degree’s dream job was working for google.

  478. Marketing Online - atxc Google Says:

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  479. Praca w Google, punkt widzenia pracownika MS at ITblog Says:

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  480. blog.mattgoyer.com » Links 07-24-07 Says:

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  481. A vida no Google at BADCOFFEE Says:

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  482. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » NYT reporter sits in at Google Says:

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  483. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » Google Slaps Squidoo Says:

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  484. Harry Potted Says:

    Gah all teh beef … it sounded interesting and informative, and heck it should be good news to Google what’s going on that needs fixing. I bet Larry and Sergei had no idea the 20% time wasn’t being used efficiently in all cases. It’s a little like Disneyland it seems to me, or maybe more like the Wonka Chocolate Factory with hundreds of happy little oompa loompas all over tarnation just thrilled to be where they are. Hell I didn’t think it was bad at all, I’d give up disability for a chance to work at Google. You can even put my desk in the hall!

  485. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » Directories??? Says:

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  486. Mans Bags Manbag Menbags Men Bags Man Bag Handbags for men » Blog Archive » Google From a Microsoft Perspective Says:

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  487. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » Google Updates Says:

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  488. My Stuff | Life at Google Says:

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  489. qurozekacn Says:

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  490. Daily Links | thegimmick Says:

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  491. Раскрутка Групп Says:

    Even as desribed by a keen MS activist, Google doesn’t seem to have any major blank spots in its organizational culture/management. Moreover, this article is a transparent evidence that Larry & Sergie do overcome Billy on key points. Way to go, Google :)

  492. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » Bounced Google Checks? Says:

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  493. Raju G Rmachandra Says:

    .. history repeats … future patterns visible…

  494. HassleFreeWebSites.com » Blog Archive » Google Backlinks Update in Progress Says:

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  495. olarn Says:

    Ahey !!!!this is horrible, man you ARE the reason microsoft is suffering!

  496. chikeloney Says:

    nice post… but i still wanna work @ google.. :P basically.. MS SUCKS!!

  497. BloggiZ - Blogging by Z : Kerja di G vs kerja di M... Says:

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  500. RR Says:

    Any organization who would fire a person for revealing the fact that dinner begins at 6 pm or whatever, or that a manager had to get the budget to have someone get an extra machine, has a screw loose in my opinion. These are cultural rather than business realities. Why on earth would these be secrets in any but a MOST fear-based culture?

    I can’t see anything in any of this email that would keep me from wanting to work at either company, except some of the paranoid responses to it from some of the employees.

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  503. 420 Says:

    I see Google growing. I see Microsoft failing. Sure they made something and people put them down. They are frowned upon. Alot of US see you as one of those people.

    You should support Google the same way people supported Microsoft.

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  504. Future microsoftie or googlish Says:

    Hi everybody!

    I’ve just read all of it carefully and didn’t understood:
    Is these black PR of Microsoft or Google?

  505. Happiness at Work « Says:

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  506. De la vida profesional en Google y Microsoft « La bitácora de Raúl Carmona Says:

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  507. nation Says:

    good read – but where’s the rest

  508. Architectural Renderings Says:

    Pretty interesting article. Thanks

  509. Red Chilli Solutions WordPress Site » Blog Archive » Google is a bummer of a place to work at … Says:

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